Is an interstate compact possible?

[Stinky The Clown]

Get blue states to join in withholding taxes to the feds in the same amount the feds cut Medicaid and Snap money. And other fed schemes to starve blue states.

Withhold highway money? Withheld the same amount from the feds. Pull funding from a state university? You get the idea.

I see the key as acting as a block, not as individual states. We stand together or surely we'll hang alone.

What's that? Not legal? Do it anyway. Constitutional crisis? Really? The courts have made themselves as effective as a fart in a windstorm.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. What mechanism does a state have to withhold money taxes collected by the federal government?

[Ms. Toad]

3. Great minds think alike. n/t

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. The "blue states fund red states" trope has some truth but people do think it's the states writing checks.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. It's not a Trope - but you are correct

On the lack of a state Government Mechanism.

Most working class families in NJ that own homes pay property taxes twice. Once to the municipality and once to Fed Gov. They max out the 10K with state income tax.

Upper middle class, affluent folks in Mississippi pay far less than working Janes and Joes in home rule Blue States.

[MichMan]

15. There is no Federal property tax

They pay Federal income tax on the income that is later used to pay local property taxes, but they do not pay property tax twice.

Only 12% of taxpayers nationwide, itemize to begin with. The other 88% take the standard deduction. In order to owe $10,000 in NJ state income taxes, a household would need to have income around $275,000. The median income for a NJ household is $97,000.

[Ms. Toad]

2. And what mechanism do you propose to use for this withholding.

Each employer (or individual business, independent contractor, etc.) pays the taxes directly to the Federal Government. States pay little to no money directly to the federal government. And if an employer does not forward the money it withheld from employees to the federal government, it is the employer - not the state - who is on the hook legally.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

5. It's not even that its not legal, its not possible

States don't collect money on behalf of the feds, with exception to their taxes for their own employees and the some minor other things. Every other employer and self employed taxpayer pays directly to the IRS.

[Irish_Dem]

6. GOP can break the law every hour of the day. No one cares, and courts encourage it.

Dems have to follow the law every single minute of the day.
They still get assaulted, arrested, jailed, killed.

If Dems don't pay taxes we know what Trump and the courts will do.

[JustAnotherGen]

7. If a million households

In key Blue States could commit to not paying their taxes next April - it would leave a mark.

Since the implementation of the SALT Cap I don't know anyone in NJ who is not sending another 3$ - $10k a year. We basically pay property taxes twice.

[LudwigPastorius]

9. "In key Blue States could commit to not paying their taxes next April..."

You are asking people to go to prison for their convictions...which might be fine if they release you the next day à la Henry David Thoreau. But, the more likely scenario is that you end up losing your job, house, and maybe family.

I don't think we're quite there yet.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes liberals will go to prison for not handing their money over to the Trump Crime Syndicate.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. He does not think we are there yet

I'd suggest he attend a Black Gun club meeting in NJ any given Saturday.

The poster might not be there, you might not be there . . .

We (Black Americans) ARE there. Don't look away.

[JustAnotherGen]

13. No I'm not

The Feds would have to arrest at least 1 million people, indict, try, convict, and imprison.
Again, folks around here think we are going back to status quo.

We aren't. No one will be spending a day in jail when the Regime falls for an act of patriotic defiance.

[Shrek]

11. Most people pay federal taxes through payroll withholding

How would a million households commit to not paying their taxes?

[JustAnotherGen]

12. SALT Caps at $10K

Every year since 2019 we've sent an additional 7-12 to the Fed.

Federal Payroll Taxes don't account for the 7-10K in property taxes, or the state income tax.

My working class constituents are paying 3-6K on April 15th.

For them, the trick is to file NJ first, receive their refund, then use that to pay all or part of their Fed. These are people bringing in 100-125 a year.

And that's not rich in NJ. We are home rule because the ConFeds give us a shit sandwich in funding. Schools, PD, FD, FD, Federal environmental regulations being met, water and sewer, roads, reticulating lights . . . We do it. We put the oxygen masks on ourselves.

Property Taxes in my borough for a 1930s 1300 sq foot home average $8K. 80% goes to schools.

We don't have "Christian Academies" (whites only) schools here. We make sure our children receive an excellent education.

We send a dollar to DC - we get back .75 cents.

And I don't want to hear the military base nonsense. Elizabeth port is why the roads are shit the closer you get to it. I don't mind paying more to Trenton to help my own in Elizabeth, Newark and Jersey City.

I do mind in Corpus Christi, Houston, and Louisiana.

They are a bunch of smarty pants maga Repubs - do it without my money dead beats!

[MichMan]

16. "We send a dollar to DC - we get back .75 cents."

Of course you do.

New Jersey has the highest median household income in the entire country at $97,000. In Alabama, it is $62,000.

It's not a surprise that residents of a wealthy state would pay more in Federal income taxes than those living in a state with more poverty. That is how the tax system is supposed to work.