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NYC Liberal

(20,412 posts)
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:16 PM Jul 1

Trump calls for deporting natural-born US citizens

Trump calls for deporting US citizens: "We also have a lot of bad people that have been here for a long time ... many of them were born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too, if you want to know the truth. So maybe that'll be the next job."

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-07-01T16:32:31.526Z


Trump calls for deporting US citizens: "We also have a lot of bad people that have been here for a long time ... many of them were born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too, if you want to know the truth. So maybe that'll be the next job."


I was told this would never happen. I was just being hysterical for suggesting it.

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Trump calls for deporting natural-born US citizens (Original Post) NYC Liberal Jul 1 OP
JFC! What's next? Gas chambers? no_hypocrisy Jul 1 #1
Probably or something equally evil JT45242 Jul 1 #14
They are building concentration camps Johonny Jul 1 #20
Yes they are, and as of today when I see posts about detention centers I call them out for what they are Hekate Jul 1 #79
DOGE will make it efficient. travelingthrulife Jul 2 #115
Can we start with him? Grim Chieftain Jul 1 #37
Alligators and pythons in the Florida swamps WestMichRad Jul 1 #42
How many will be disappeared? BidenRocks Jul 1 #75
By the end of the 21st century, this will be mild Random Boomer Jul 1 #82
1955 was a good year to be born. BidenRocks Jul 1 #86
Me: 2/4/55 SidneyR Jul 1 #90
We survived BidenRocks Jul 1 #94
1955 bdamomma Jul 1 #101
Right there with you Random Boomer Jul 2 #106
I hear ya. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2 #119
Yes SSJVegeta Jul 1 #67
That's a future JD Vance project. Wingus Dingus Jul 1 #84
There is no such thing as deporting citizens Farmer-Rick Jul 2 #117
I'm sure the regime is looking at the possibilities you present in your last sentence. erronis Jul 2 #120
Hey,,,, I recommend the felon in the video with that red hat,,,, KarenS Jul 1 #2
He left "very bad" in his dust. Martin Eden Jul 1 #29
Start with the russian anchor babies Hornedfrog2000 Jul 1 #3
Yep. musette_sf Jul 1 #50
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Jul 1 #52
Make a deal with Canada, France, or England for citizenship and healthcare walkingman Jul 1 #4
Same here! ShazzieB Jul 1 #19
I'd take just the healthcare AdamGG Jul 1 #36
Those are my 3 choices as well. yorkster Jul 1 #46
You Won't Get Into Canada OhioTim Jul 1 #69
Yeah, Canada ain't going to take 100 million refugees. LudwigPastorius Jul 2 #105
I'll go. SidneyR Jul 1 #89
Lol... róisín_dubh Jul 2 #122
What will you do when they come for you? Johnny2X2X Jul 1 #5
Well, there's this: DOJ to revoke citizenship of some naturalized citizens surfered Jul 1 #6
2 of my nieces are naturalized, my dear neighbor is naturalized irisblue Jul 1 #10
My ancestor fought in the revolutionary war. Does that help or hurt. I get so confused. twodogsbarking Jul 1 #7
Doesn't matter Johnny2X2X Jul 1 #11
THIS. You are correct and this has been the plan all along. LuckyCharms Jul 1 #23
Immigrants were the trial balloon Johnny2X2X Jul 1 #31
Happened in Chile under the Pinochet regime Justice matters. Jul 2 #108
Yes, exactly. Thousands were "disappeared". Pinochet cronies were made immensely wealthy. SharonAnn Jul 2 #116
that is a good question! One of my ancestors came here from Switzerland in the pre Revolutionary days yellowdogintexas Jul 1 #16
Hey, one of my ancestors served in the Confederate Army! ShazzieB Jul 1 #24
Depends Cirsium Jul 1 #22
My grandfather was in the D-Day invasion. Initech Jul 1 #78
Thanks Gramps. twodogsbarking Jul 2 #111
When are you and your family leaving, dondolph? niyad Jul 1 #8
Yes, good question. Clearly malaria's "genius" status was a blatant lie. SheltieLover Jul 1 #54
I'm just a few miles from the Canadian border -misanthroptimist Jul 1 #9
What an idiot. Justice matters. Jul 1 #12
When he says he's going to do something, believe him orangecrush Jul 1 #13
+1. dalton99a Jul 1 #33
Yet, the "It will never happen crowd" never are around to fess up. Kid Berwyn Jul 1 #15
"Bad people.....born here". He left out "a lot of them named Trump". Ping Tung Jul 1 #17
Pretty sure skin color is a determining factor. Dixiegrrrl Jul 1 #48
It's been a while back, but I remember some Republican saying that black people should all be deported. Lonestarblue Jul 1 #18
And well before the english set foot on mwmisses4289 Jul 1 #93
again, told ya so. B.See Jul 1 #21
If only... ShazzieB Jul 1 #25
I want bdamomma Jul 1 #68
personally, cant think of B.See Jul 1 #97
He doesn't specify how many generations your family's been here mainer Jul 1 #26
In his addled mind, anyone who just says no to him, mwmisses4289 Jul 1 #32
They'll base it on how you look and your political views IronLionZion Jul 1 #66
Shame we didn't have tighter immigration controls in 1885 Buns_of_Fire Jul 1 #27
True that Nasruddin Jul 1 #58
Germany wouldn't take him back when he tried to go IronLionZion Jul 1 #65
So was Fred Trump bdamomma Jul 1 #100
You and your family first, idjit. mwmisses4289 Jul 1 #28
It was a wild run DUers, great knowing you. IronLionZion Jul 1 #30
No sarcasm here. Something to this effect is what needs to happen. Karasu Jul 1 #61
You aren't going to hang around long enough for us to start turning each other in Wingus Dingus Jul 1 #85
How long before you are deported because of doc03 Jul 1 #34
Already happened IronLionZion Jul 1 #64
Well, we're living in a police state fascist country with no rights and no protection from GoodRaisin Jul 1 #35
He's going to try to denaturalize citizens and retroact US born people's citizenship Jspur Jul 1 #38
Looking more like Pinochet in Chile. Justice matters. Jul 2 #107
Deport CEOs who exploit undocumented immigrant laborers Orrex Jul 1 #39
Absolutely, but it won't fill the coffers from private-pay prisons. SheltieLover Jul 1 #56
They would not care if their concentration camps were empty... Justice matters. Jul 2 #109
It's an article of faith for white people like Trump that PoC are NEVER "real' Americans Maru Kitteh Jul 1 #40
Hey you idiot Grim Chieftain Jul 1 #41
Trump's DOJ issues memo on plan to strip citizenship from some naturalized Americans LetMyPeopleVote Jul 1 #43
Who gets Cherokee100 Jul 1 #44
Starting with you, fuckwad stollen Jul 1 #45
COMING SOON: Supreme Court rules deportation of U.S.-born citizens is constitutional dalton99a Jul 1 #47
Yep. Can hardly wait to see what obscure, ancient bullshit they dredge up to justify that one. Karasu Jul 1 #51
Hitler's playbook. Joinfortmill Jul 1 #49
start with yoour cuurent wfe sir!!!!! AllaN01Bear Jul 1 #53
I'm here for it. Six117 Jul 1 #55
SCOTUS will enable this 6-3 at any level the Admin wants. Evolve Dammit Jul 1 #57
"bad people..." GiqueCee Jul 1 #59
Threatening Americans?????? bdamomma Jul 1 #60
If he can get away with it, he will. No one should think anything is impossible with this administration and the SC tulipsandroses Jul 1 #62
I know JUST where to start! orangecrush Jul 1 #63
Start with him Rebl2 Jul 1 #71
That means anyone who doesn't vote maga. C Moon Jul 1 #70
Nasty, smelly fat POS wolfie001 Jul 1 #72
Starting with Trump.... right?!?! Quanto Magnus Jul 1 #73
Hey Diaper Donnie, come try it you weak minded, wimpy LT Barclay Jul 1 #74
Goodbye America. NoMoreRepugs Jul 1 #76
and there's more!!!! Native Jul 1 #77
I got a better idea: let's deport the Fascist-in-Chief!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #80
His mental bdamomma Jul 1 #102
Without a doubt! So where's the media? InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2 #104
Our media???? bdamomma Jul 2 #112
Anyone who thought this WASN'T going to happen knows fuck-all about history, I'm sorry to say. Karasu Jul 1 #81
Hopefully, Orrex's wishes for Trumps death are answered soon. Gimpyknee Jul 1 #83
Isn't this the whole point of ending Birthright citizenship? KentuckyWoman Jul 1 #87
You first, asshole. milestogo Jul 1 #88
Trump's perfect judge... Roland Freisler Such a keen legal mind that he put into law that original citizenship could be Norrrm Jul 1 #91
Treasonous Putin Toad is a MF Bad Asshole. Cha Jul 1 #92
We all knew this would be Trump's next step, in perfect alignment with the fascist playbook. Martin68 Jul 1 #95
i been saying that he was gonna start saying who is or who isn't a us citizen. i have been laughed at dawn5651 Jul 1 #96
If he would let us decide where to go ourselves, slightlv Jul 1 #98
The road to fadcism... soldierant Jul 1 #99
I've been saying all along-- Bayard Jul 2 #103
Think I may re-read "The Man Without A Country" no_hypocrisy Jul 2 #110
deport me to Italy. I'll go live with my cousins in the EU. Javaman Jul 2 #113
Curious: How many felonies can a citizen have before they get the boot? Beartracks Jul 2 #114
Hey moron, you're a convicted felon. Beacool Jul 2 #118
How about 10 million people march on DC and remove this piece of s*** LS0999 Jul 2 #121

Johonny

(24,198 posts)
20. They are building concentration camps
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:04 PM
Jul 1

So yes, death camps are next. There is no one in the GOP congress or courts that will stop them. It seems like a matter of time.

Hekate

(98,596 posts)
79. Yes they are, and as of today when I see posts about detention centers I call them out for what they are
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:15 PM
Jul 1

WestMichRad

(2,404 posts)
42. Alligators and pythons in the Florida swamps
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:45 PM
Jul 1

Let nature “take its course”, if the heat there doesn’t off ‘em

Random Boomer

(4,343 posts)
82. By the end of the 21st century, this will be mild
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:53 PM
Jul 1

We are headed for bad times and this is only a small taste of what is ahead. Glad I'm very near the end of my life.

BidenRocks

(1,858 posts)
86. 1955 was a good year to be born.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:32 PM
Jul 1

We rode the curl of the tech wave while it was still new and exciting.
Now it's Skynet.

Random Boomer

(4,343 posts)
106. Right there with you
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:53 AM
Jul 2

I was born in 1954. I was a young adult when desktop computers first came out. Somehow, I still ended up in IT before I retired.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,075 posts)
119. I hear ya.
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 01:01 PM
Jul 2

I was born in '45, at the end of WWII.

And for the last 80 years one of the perpetual burning questions I've heard has been "Why didn't the Germans stop Hitler early on?"
Now we know.

Farmer-Rick

(11,875 posts)
117. There is no such thing as deporting citizens
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 11:14 AM
Jul 2

Pedo Trump can't even speak coherently and use the proper words. Yet all the media just goes on and repeats his mangled, incoherent, childish language.

Forcing a citizen to leave the country they were born in is called exile or banishment. NOT DEPORTATION. Stupid people don't even know the English Language.

It was usually done to criminals back in ancient times. So, another long dead form of punishment being dusted off to use against American citizens by Nazi loving Trump humpers.

What next? Crucification, the rack, the wheel, thumbscrews, the ironmaiden?

erronis

(20,662 posts)
120. I'm sure the regime is looking at the possibilities you present in your last sentence.
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 01:09 PM
Jul 2

The active involvement of the US media in these operations and propaganda is staggering. Obviously the owners/publishers, even the top-level editors, are all in on the "plan".

walkingman

(9,579 posts)
4. Make a deal with Canada, France, or England for citizenship and healthcare
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:27 PM
Jul 1

and my DW and I will leave in a NY minute.

AdamGG

(1,729 posts)
36. I'd take just the healthcare
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:26 PM
Jul 1

and some kind of resident alien status. Can't be too picky when it's showing signs of 1936 Germany.

róisín_dubh

(12,076 posts)
122. Lol...
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 01:32 PM
Jul 2

the UK hates immigrants almost as much as the US.
Not quite there yet, but almost. They're about to fuck over skilled workers in order to solve the refugee crisis. Oh and that's the Labour government doing it, not the Tories and not the Neo-fascist Reform party.
It's no fun at all being an immigrant here, nor is it cheap.
But I wouldn't move back to the US if you paid me, I'll just keep draining my savings to afford my appalling salary until I have permanent residency and then I'll give up my US citizenship.

Johnny2X2X

(23,083 posts)
5. What will you do when they come for you?
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:33 PM
Jul 1

I've been saying this for months, ICE and every method ICE is using right now under the guise of policing immigration will become standard for policing anyone Trump views as an enemy. This was always the plan, ICE is now the most powerful force in our country and they are going to treat dissidents the same way we've seen them treat immigrants. And the SCOTUS will do nothing to stop it, not will Congress.

God forbid they get ahold of DU's servers and start showing up to our houses asking questions about our posts here. They can disappear anyone.

Johnny2X2X

(23,083 posts)
11. Doesn't matter
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:47 PM
Jul 1

If you don't agree with Trump, he now has the right to eject you from the country and throw you into a prison camp in a place like Libya or Rwanda. All your property can be seized and you will not face atrial or even charges and you can spend the rest of your life in a foreign prison. America voted for a dictator, and that's what America is getting.

LuckyCharms

(20,352 posts)
23. THIS. You are correct and this has been the plan all along.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:11 PM
Jul 1

This is NOT hyperbole.

The country sleep-walked into this...and it's 90% here now.

Johnny2X2X

(23,083 posts)
31. Immigrants were the trial balloon
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:23 PM
Jul 1

And for the most part, the vast majority of the country has been fine with what is happening to immigrants. Maybe some of it seems heavy handed to some Americans, but they probably think it's just a few bad cases here and there.

So when they see their friends and neighbors being rounded up, they'll just shrug and go, "Well, they must have committed some crime."

Justice matters.

(8,654 posts)
108. Happened in Chile under the Pinochet regime
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 02:56 AM
Jul 2

History, when ignored, repeats (in other countries).

SharonAnn

(14,082 posts)
116. Yes, exactly. Thousands were "disappeared". Pinochet cronies were made immensely wealthy.
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 10:27 AM
Jul 2

And Opus Dei supported it all. Power and wealth to control the citizens.

yellowdogintexas

(23,374 posts)
16. that is a good question! One of my ancestors came here from Switzerland in the pre Revolutionary days
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:53 PM
Jul 1

does that invalidate his descendants; after all he came here before the definition of citizenship was established.


ShazzieB

(21,178 posts)
24. Hey, one of my ancestors served in the Confederate Army!
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:12 PM
Jul 1

He emigrated from Germany to the U.S. state of Georgia in the 19th century and got drafted to serve as a dentist in the Confederate Army during the Civil War. My daughter, my niece, my grand niece, and I are all technically eligible for membership in the Daughters of the Confederacy. Do we get any brownie points in Trumpamerica for that? /s

Initech

(105,691 posts)
78. My grandfather was in the D-Day invasion.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:14 PM
Jul 1

He'd probably be horrified if he saw what was happening today.

-misanthroptimist

(1,388 posts)
9. I'm just a few miles from the Canadian border
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:41 PM
Jul 1

I'll walk. Not that I'm actually a bad person, just one that detests His Fragility. In his mind, that makes me "bad."

Justice matters.

(8,654 posts)
12. What an idiot.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:47 PM
Jul 1

A convicted one. Never really punished, though.

Never deterred to commit crimes over and over again.

Kid Berwyn

(21,367 posts)
15. Yet, the "It will never happen crowd" never are around to fess up.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:52 PM
Jul 1

"If you want to know the truth," for some reason.

Dixiegrrrl

(105 posts)
48. Pretty sure skin color is a determining factor.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 03:32 PM
Jul 1

And political affiliation may be included, since no due process will be involved.
Right now Stephen Miller and other Republicans are making tons of money from stock of the companies involved in the deportation process, including running the jail expansions.

At the same time, trump is renting expensive hotel and other living quarters to rich non-Americans to give birth in this country.

The bill will also cut Medicaid/Medicare funding from hospitals and Drs. which esp. rural areas heavily depend on, and those services are being bought up by private businesses.

They make Nixon look like a piker.

Lonestarblue

(12,814 posts)
18. It's been a while back, but I remember some Republican saying that black people should all be deported.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:02 PM
Jul 1

The idea was that they are not real citizens like white people and they should all now be sent back to Africa.

Given the ignorance of history exhibited by most Republicans, including Trump, the assumption is that Hispanic people do not belong here either. They seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that until 1848 Mexico owned much of the Southwest, consisting of the present-day states of California, Nevada, Utah, most of Arizona, the western half of New Mexico, the western quarter of Colorado, and the southwest corner of Wyoming. Obviously, the people living there were Hispanic and they were granted citizenship by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, 1848. Texas was in dispute but also had many Mexicans living there when it became a state and gained US citizenship.

We are a nation of many ethnicities. I wish we could finally learn to live together without all the right-wing hate.

mwmisses4289

(1,564 posts)
93. And well before the english set foot on
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 09:07 PM
Jul 1

what would eventually be named America, the Spanish were settling what would become florida, georgia, alabama, and mississippi. St. Augustine in florida is the oldest city in what is now the united states.

B.See

(5,908 posts)
21. again, told ya so.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jul 1

"We also have a lot of bad people that have been here for a long time ... many of them were born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too, if you want to know the truth."

Says the BAD PERSON squatting in the Oval Office.

mainer

(12,375 posts)
26. He doesn't specify how many generations your family's been here
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:15 PM
Jul 1

He only says "bad people" who were "born here."
That could mean people descended from Mayflower ancestors. It could mean any US citizen.
He also doesn't define "bad people." He doesn't define "the enemy." It could mean "anyone who's opposed to me."

He's setting the stage for wholesale deportations of everyone.

mwmisses4289

(1,564 posts)
32. In his addled mind, anyone who just says no to him,
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:23 PM
Jul 1

Last edited Tue Jul 1, 2025, 09:08 PM - Edit history (1)

no matter small the matter is, is a bad person.

IronLionZion

(49,479 posts)
66. They'll base it on how you look and your political views
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 04:27 PM
Jul 1

Anyone who shared memes or posted on a liberal forum are "bad people".

They'll find some way to get rid of Indigenous Native Americans too since they are majority Dems.

Buns_of_Fire

(18,599 posts)
27. Shame we didn't have tighter immigration controls in 1885
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:17 PM
Jul 1

when Friedrich Trumpf decided to grace our shores.

Nasruddin

(1,074 posts)
58. True that
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jul 1

That guy was as shady as a street lined with linden trees (in other words, a typical 19th C American businessman), so there's bound to be something wrong in his immigration paperwork that can be used. Then we can deport the whole clan.

IronLionZion

(49,479 posts)
30. It was a wild run DUers, great knowing you.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:22 PM
Jul 1

Let's see if any liberal countries will take me as an American born refugee.

Wingus Dingus

(9,173 posts)
85. You aren't going to hang around long enough for us to start turning each other in
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:27 PM
Jul 1

for "un-American activities" for a deal to avoid being deported or imprisoned ourselves? You'll miss the fun!

IronLionZion

(49,479 posts)
64. Already happened
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 04:10 PM
Jul 1

that's why they check social media posts of visitors, tourists, visa and green card residents, etc. They have thrown out international students for protesting. They turned away tourists for having memes on their phone.

GoodRaisin

(10,349 posts)
35. Well, we're living in a police state fascist country with no rights and no protection from
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:25 PM
Jul 1

an evil government now. But….but her emails….

Stupid has consequences.

Jspur

(733 posts)
38. He's going to try to denaturalize citizens and retroact US born people's citizenship
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:27 PM
Jul 1

next. Hopefully he's not successful but that seems to be his next goal. If he succeeds at doing what he wants to do next we are on the verge of becoming like Nazi Germany.

Justice matters.

(8,654 posts)
107. Looking more like Pinochet in Chile.
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:57 AM
Jul 2

Disappearing natural-born citizens by the tens of thousands who were never to be seen again.

Orrex

(65,569 posts)
39. Deport CEOs who exploit undocumented immigrant laborers
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:28 PM
Jul 1

That’ll solve about 100% of the imagined “open borders” problem.

Justice matters.

(8,654 posts)
109. They would not care if their concentration camps were empty...
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 03:07 AM
Jul 2

they would get the taxpayers-credit-card bundles anyway, as long as the contractors will donate cuts of them back to repukes only hidden in repuke 'pacs' or/and directly (smaller donations).

Maru Kitteh

(30,392 posts)
40. It's an article of faith for white people like Trump that PoC are NEVER "real' Americans
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:38 PM
Jul 1

They believe, without exception that any person of Color in the United States who is not Native American was “brought here” and therefore isn’t really American and so should be “sent back.” If they are a Brown person in Colorado who is fluent only in Spanish it’s taken as proof that they are not citizens and most likely came here illegally. Never mind they could easily be from a family who has lived there on the same land for a dozen generations or more.




But the bottom line here is this - they don’t really give a shit about the map and who crossed what border or what border crossed them.

It’s about protecting the status and the power of the ®Real American. Must be, White, heterosexual, ®Christian able-bodied and male, all others need not apply.

Grim Chieftain

(411 posts)
41. Hey you idiot
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:43 PM
Jul 1

Bad people who have been here a long time? Like an orange idiot who has 30+ felonies and sexual abuse charges? To the head of the line, you worthless POS.

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,528 posts)
43. Trump's DOJ issues memo on plan to strip citizenship from some naturalized Americans
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:49 PM
Jul 1

The recent memo encourages the Justice Department’s Civil Division to prioritize efforts to strip some Americans of their citizenship.

MSNBC: Trump’s DOJ issues memo on plan to strip citizenship from some naturalized Americans www.msnbc.com/top-stories/...

(@jwwcan.bsky.social) 2025-06-30T22:45:43.522Z

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/denaturalization-citizens-justice-department-trump-rcna216073

As the White House press secretary openly floats the idea of investigating New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani to possibly strip him of his citizenship, after a bigoted proposal from Rep. Andy Ogles, R-Tenn., the administration appears to be revving up its denaturalization plans.

NPR reported Monday on a Justice Department memo from June 11, which advises prosecutors in the DOJ’s Civil Division to prioritize the denaturalization of various naturalized citizens over alleged infractions ranging from war crimes to “material misrepresentations” in their citizenship applications.

In his first term, Trump expanded former President Barack Obama’s denaturalization policies. An expert told NPR why the new memo’s call to use civil litigation for this effort is particularly disturbing:

The DOJ memo says that the federal government will pursue denaturalization cases via civil litigation — an especially concerning move, said Cassandra Robertson, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University. In civil proceedings, any individual subject to denaturalization is not entitled to an attorney, Robertson said; there is also a lower burden of proof for the government to reach, and it is far easier and faster to reach a conclusion in these cases. Robertson says that stripping Americans of citizenship through civil litigation violates due process and infringes on the rights guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.


On the heels of Friday’s Supreme Court ruling in the birthright citizenship case — which undercut lower courts’ ability to stop the executive branch from pursuing policies of disputed legality — it’s safe to wonder whether and how the administration might wield its powers to target more Americans.

The DOJ memo asserts a broad latitude for interpretation as to what conduct might warrant denaturalization proceedings against a citizen. It lays out a list of transgressions, including torture and human trafficking, but also calls on the DOJ’s Civil Division to target “an individual that either ‘illegally procured’ naturalization or procured naturalization by ‘concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation’” and, rather vaguely, “individuals who pose a potential danger to national security.” The memo also prioritizes the ominously open-ended “any other cases ... that the Division determines to be sufficiently important to pursue.”

Karasu

(1,654 posts)
51. Yep. Can hardly wait to see what obscure, ancient bullshit they dredge up to justify that one.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 03:39 PM
Jul 1

GiqueCee

(2,573 posts)
59. "bad people..."
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jul 1

... are any people with the temerity to disagree mit Der Fuhrer.
For those who still support this evil fuck, I wish you an early, agonizing death, alone and despised by all who had the misfortune to meet you. YOU brought this horror on the nation, and you will never be forgiven for it. Few will mourn your passing.

tulipsandroses

(7,698 posts)
62. If he can get away with it, he will. No one should think anything is impossible with this administration and the SC
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 04:01 PM
Jul 1

When he first issued the executive order to deport college students on student visas, I said he was going to go after permanent residents next and try to denaturalize naturalized citizens. Can't find that thread but that was my stance on that thread, others said no, he couldn't do anything to permanent residents or naturalized citizens. That was right after the inauguration, here we are 6 months later. He is deporting permanent residents, going after naturalized citizens, don't think for one second he wont send American born citizens to some gulag in foreign country if he can get away with it.
I don't have a lot of faith in the court anymore that he won't be able to do it.

orangecrush

(25,735 posts)
63. I know JUST where to start!
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 04:07 PM
Jul 1

There are very bad Republican politicians nearly everywhere!

Many of them are lard asses like Trump, which means they can't run very fast, making it even easier!

Quanto Magnus

(1,176 posts)
73. Starting with Trump.... right?!?!
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 06:29 PM
Jul 1

yeah, didn't think so...


They'll just go after Democrats.


Everyday, more and more, I think California should leave the United States...

LT Barclay

(3,050 posts)
74. Hey Diaper Donnie, come try it you weak minded, wimpy
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 06:30 PM
Jul 1

befuddled butt wipe. Send your thugs. I’ll send back the pieces.

Native

(7,192 posts)
77. and there's more!!!!
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:11 PM
Jul 1

Q: DeSantis has proposed deputizing the National Guard and using them as immigration judges. Would you be open to that?

TRUMP: Yes. He has my approval.

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-07-01T16:46:47.526Z

bdamomma

(68,864 posts)
102. His mental
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 10:35 PM
Jul 1

and physical health is deteriorating; his staff is covering his mental status up. Miller is pulling the strings.

bdamomma

(68,864 posts)
112. Our media????
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 07:03 AM
Jul 2

they are trying to normalize his actions. You probably hear the truth of his condition on independent media like Mary Trump Media or any other independent site.

Karasu

(1,654 posts)
81. Anyone who thought this WASN'T going to happen knows fuck-all about history, I'm sorry to say.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:46 PM
Jul 1

KentuckyWoman

(7,140 posts)
87. Isn't this the whole point of ending Birthright citizenship?
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:39 PM
Jul 1

First they yank it from anyone they like who had no American parents at the time they were born in the US.
Next comes only 1 parent was a US citizen ... but only the ones they don't like.
Eventually they revoke citizenship for "criminals" - the crime being badmouthing MAGA or supporting the opposition.
And let us not forget naturalized citizens.

They've clearly said for a decade or more that they don't believe non-citizens have ANY human rights within the US, let alone Constitutional rights. Once they start revoking citizenship then they can do anything they want to you.

Yes it sounds hysterical. But judging by what they've been saying since 2007 and Trump's most recent bloviations about kidnapping citizens he doesn't like, seems like we are there.

Norrrm

(2,445 posts)
91. Trump's perfect judge... Roland Freisler Such a keen legal mind that he put into law that original citizenship could be
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 09:00 PM
Jul 1

Trump's perfect judge... Roland Freisler
Such a keen legal mind that he put into law that original citizenship could be revoked...
Start approx 1:53 on the timeline.

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dawn5651

(711 posts)
96. i been saying that he was gonna start saying who is or who isn't a us citizen. i have been laughed at
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 10:05 PM
Jul 1

told i was nutz, that i didn't know what i was talking about.

slightlv

(6,138 posts)
98. If he would let us decide where to go ourselves,
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 10:14 PM
Jul 1

I'd be on the first boat out of here to Ireland... the homeland of my ancestors. I sure as hell don't want to be here anymore. I'm nearly 70 years old. I'm a veteran, having served during VietNam. I've been a public servant (civil service) since getting out of the Air Force a millenia ago. I'm now retired. I never made enough money to save up a billion dollars for retirement. Everything was paycheck to paycheck, but we had a decent life because we had family and love... even if we were short on "stuff." I don't understand these multi-zillionaire capitalists... not their desires... not their needs... and certainly not their personalities. At this point, I really don't care to understand them, either. To me, they're worse than the worst meth heads in their addiction. And that is all it is... an addiction. They got hooked via the game of Risk in the 70's and they've been playing it with OUR money ever since. Stuff 'em!

I wish EVERYONE in this country who is not maga could leave on their own accord. Leave the freaking hellhole to the magas and trump and let them either bomb it into oblivion or allow each of them to die in the gutters because everyone in the blue states (and those of us in hostile Red states who aren't Red), decided to vote with our feet and what's left of our wallets. Let him get his adoration 24/7 from the idiots who threw it all away.

The only thing I can do at my age is attend the marches and rallies, and it really makes me angry. Because I don't think those are doing a damn thing for us. In fact, whatever we protest, he just doubles down on. He is the Devil Incarnate, and I refuse to bow down to the Devil. I will not be a patsy for Evil. But I would like to get the hell out of here and into a free country where people actually matter.

I don't want to die in this hellhole, surrounded by frightened people and those with Purge fantasies and guns. And yet, when I can remember my dreams, I'm dreaming of dying. And lately, it's become too much of a release for my comfort.

I'm reaching my end point, and they're not near done. What the frack next?

soldierant

(8,743 posts)
99. The road to fadcism...
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 10:16 PM
Jul 1


It is possible to denaturalize a naturalized citizen, but IIRC it requires being able that they lied in their naturalization process about something which, if the truth had been told, would have prevented their naturalization. Like a Nazi from WWII swearing he was never a member of the Nazi party. And even then - there was one I read about who did exactly that and it was proven, but he could not be deported because no other nation would have him.

A citizen of this country who commits crimes here should not be deported but should be serving an appropriate sentence in a prison here. That is true whether a born citizen or a naturalized one.

Bayard

(26,042 posts)
103. I've been saying all along--
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:08 AM
Jul 2

If you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention.

I thought hard about moving to another country when this mess started, but its really not feasible for us. At some ironic point, other countries will stop accepting overwhelming numbers of American refugees. Besides, it really doesn't sit well with me to be run out of my own country.

So, what do we do? Yes, we vote the bastards out--if we're allowed to vote. The protests are good, but they're not enough. trump's behavior just keeps getting worse, and he seems pretty intent on dumping the Constitution. I see the ICE capades becoming more dangerous for everybody. Remember the Home Guard during the Civil War? Congress and the Judiciary are quickly becoming inconsequential.

One way or another, this can't continue. Hard to believe one small-minded little man could bring down this country. We need new tactics. We cannot lose this fight.

Javaman

(64,261 posts)
113. deport me to Italy. I'll go live with my cousins in the EU.
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 07:25 AM
Jul 2

or deport my wife to Ireland. She can be a resident there easily.

it's coming folks, don't fool yourself into thinking this won't happen.

and all the repukes will just sit on their hands.

Beacool

(30,427 posts)
118. Hey moron, you're a convicted felon.
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 11:50 AM
Jul 2

Aren't you a bad person? Do humanity a favor and deport yourself first.


LS0999

(224 posts)
121. How about 10 million people march on DC and remove this piece of s***
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 01:30 PM
Jul 2

It's only been 6 months since the Turd was installed. We will not survive this if things this keeps going along this trend line.

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