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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet me get this straight: Iran and Iraq were already at war throughout the 1980s, going back to say, the battle of Uruk
In 3,500BCE.
They were at war with each other. They were bleeding each other dry. Every week, a new trench, a new airstrike, a fresh round of body bagsand guess what?
The United States didnt have to do a damn thing.
We didnt have to blow anyone up.
We didnt have to spend trillions.
We didnt have to kill civilians or become the villain in the Middle East.
Iraq and Iran were handling the destruction just fine on their own.
But then
we decided to join the partyand not as spectators.
In 2003, George W. Bush squinted at Iraqalready exhausted from a decade of fighting and sanctionsand said:
You know what? Lets invade them ourselves. Freedom isnt going to bomb itself.
Cue the fireworks. Cue the $8 trillion dollar tab (yes, trillion)most of it borrowed, which means well be paying it off until your kids student loans go to collections.
Cue hundreds of thousands dead, including up to 1 million Iraqis, depending on which humanitarian nightmare you reference.
Cue a destabilized region, global protests, and the birth of more insurgent groups than a Call of Duty expansion pack. Cue Abu Ghraib. Cue the torture.
Cost of the war? Try this:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar
And now? The sequel nobody asked for: Trump vs. Iran.
Donald Trump, who campaigned on getting us out of stupid wars, has now taken the next step in the trilogy.
Hes greenlit strikes on Irans nuclear facilities, using bunker-busters and cruise missiles like its a Presidents Day sale at Raytheon.
Heres the Reuters breakdown:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/strikes-iran-mark-trumps-biggest-riskiest-foreign-policy-gamble-2025-06-22/
And heres how the Washington Post puts it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/22/trump-iran-bomb-consequences/
This, of course, follows the time-tested Neo-Conservative doctrine of:
Fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again. (Bush Jr quote).
The Final Twist?
All we had to do was
nothing.
Literally. Do. Nothing.
Let Iran and Iraq keep at each other. Let them bomb each other into mutual exhaustion. It was the rare geopolitical gift: two bitter rivals, locked in a self-contained, mutually destructive warand we were getting it for free.
But no. We looked at that and said:
You know what would make this better? If we joined in
forever.
Because why win by standing still, when you can lose big by jumping into someone elses disaster with both feet, trillions of dollars, and your moral credibility on fire?
Welcome to MAGA foreign policy. We dont learn, but we sure do pay.

Ocelot II
(125,577 posts)by selling arms to Iran while the US was also arming Iraq. You can always make a few bucks off these things regardless which side you support, or both of them.
Wounded Bear
(62,293 posts)
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,128 posts)Jon Stewart interviewing Maziar Bahari. They made a movie together - "Rosewater". It's a fascinating and fun discussion about Iran.
Jit423
(1,513 posts)FDRFTW
(96 posts)We want their energy. Get another source of energy, and we'd drop the ME and all it's incessant BS like a bad habbit.
Kaleva
(39,569 posts)Operation Earnest Will (24 July 1987 26 September 1988) was an American military protection of Kuwaiti-owned tankers from Iranian attacks in 1987 and 1988, three years into the Tanker War phase of the IranIraq War.[2] It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II, and flowed from Resolution 598 which had been adopted three days earlier.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Will
On 18 April 1988, the U.S. Navy launched Operation Praying Mantis against Iranian targets in the Arabian Gulf in retaliation for USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58) mining four days earlier, which blew an immense hole in the ships hull. Ten Sailors from Samuel B. Roberts sustained severe injuries.
https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/wars-conflicts-and-operations/middle-east/praying-mantis.html#:~:text=On%2018%20April%201988%2C%20the,Roberts%20sustained%20severe%20injuries.