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FDRFTW

(96 posts)
Thu Jun 26, 2025, 02:38 PM Thursday

Let me get this straight: Iran and Iraq were already at war throughout the 1980s, going back to say, the battle of Uruk

In 3,500BCE.

They were at war with each other. They were bleeding each other dry. Every week, a new trench, a new airstrike, a fresh round of body bags—and guess what?

The United States didn’t have to do a damn thing.

We didn’t have to blow anyone up.

We didn’t have to spend trillions.

We didn’t have to kill civilians or become the villain in the Middle East.

Iraq and Iran were handling the destruction just fine on their own.

But then… we decided to join the party—and not as spectators.

In 2003, George W. Bush squinted at Iraq—already exhausted from a decade of fighting and sanctions—and said:

“You know what? Let’s invade them ourselves. Freedom isn’t going to bomb itself.”

Cue the fireworks. Cue the $8 trillion dollar tab (yes, trillion)—most of it borrowed, which means we’ll be paying it off until your kids’ student loans go to collections.

Cue hundreds of thousands dead, including up to 1 million Iraqis, depending on which humanitarian nightmare you reference.

Cue a destabilized region, global protests, and the birth of more insurgent groups than a Call of Duty expansion pack. Cue Abu Ghraib. Cue the torture.

Cost of the war? Try this:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar

And now? The sequel nobody asked for: Trump vs. Iran.

Donald Trump, who campaigned on getting us out of “stupid wars”, has now taken the next step in the trilogy.

He’s greenlit strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, using bunker-busters and cruise missiles like it’s a President’s Day sale at Raytheon.

Here’s the Reuters breakdown:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/strikes-iran-mark-trumps-biggest-riskiest-foreign-policy-gamble-2025-06-22/

And here’s how the Washington Post puts it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/22/trump-iran-bomb-consequences/

This, of course, follows the time-tested Neo-Conservative doctrine of:

“Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.” (Bush Jr quote).

The Final Twist?

All we had to do was… nothing.
Literally. Do. Nothing.

Let Iran and Iraq keep at each other. Let them bomb each other into mutual exhaustion. It was the rare geopolitical gift: two bitter rivals, locked in a self-contained, mutually destructive war—and we were getting it for free.

But no. We looked at that and said:

“You know what would make this better? If we joined in… forever.”

Because why win by standing still, when you can lose big by jumping into someone else’s disaster with both feet, trillions of dollars, and your moral credibility on fire?

Welcome to MAGA foreign policy. We don’t learn, but we sure do pay.

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Let me get this straight: Iran and Iraq were already at war throughout the 1980s, going back to say, the battle of Uruk (Original Post) FDRFTW Thursday OP
Oh, but Reagan via Ollie North was able to finance the Nicaraguan Contras Ocelot II Thursday #1
Yeah, it was a "good" war in that we were selling shit to both sides... Wounded Bear Thursday #2
Listening to The Weekly Show SleeplessinSoCal Thursday #3
A destabilized ME only benefits Israel. Stop pretending it doesn't. nt Jit423 Thursday #4
How am I pretending what? For that matter, the Middle East hasn't been stable for millennia. FDRFTW Thursday #7
Energy OC375 Thursday #5
Operation Earnest Will & Operation Praying Mantis Kaleva Thursday #6

Ocelot II

(125,577 posts)
1. Oh, but Reagan via Ollie North was able to finance the Nicaraguan Contras
Thu Jun 26, 2025, 02:42 PM
Thursday

by selling arms to Iran while the US was also arming Iraq. You can always make a few bucks off these things regardless which side you support, or both of them.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,128 posts)
3. Listening to The Weekly Show
Thu Jun 26, 2025, 03:00 PM
Thursday

Jon Stewart interviewing Maziar Bahari. They made a movie together - "Rosewater". It's a fascinating and fun discussion about Iran.

FDRFTW

(96 posts)
7. How am I pretending what? For that matter, the Middle East hasn't been stable for millennia.
Thu Jun 26, 2025, 11:49 PM
Thursday

OC375

(102 posts)
5. Energy
Thu Jun 26, 2025, 03:24 PM
Thursday

We want their energy. Get another source of energy, and we'd drop the ME and all it's incessant BS like a bad habbit.

Kaleva

(39,569 posts)
6. Operation Earnest Will & Operation Praying Mantis
Thu Jun 26, 2025, 04:26 PM
Thursday

“Operation Earnest Will (24 July 1987 – 26 September 1988) was an American military protection of Kuwaiti-owned tankers from Iranian attacks in 1987 and 1988, three years into the Tanker War phase of the Iran–Iraq War.[2] It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II, and flowed from Resolution 598 which had been adopted three days earlier.“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Will


“On 18 April 1988, the U.S. Navy launched Operation Praying Mantis against Iranian targets in the Arabian Gulf in retaliation for USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58) mining four days earlier, which blew an immense hole in the ship’s hull. Ten Sailors from Samuel B. Roberts sustained severe injuries.”

https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/wars-conflicts-and-operations/middle-east/praying-mantis.html#:~:text=On%2018%20April%201988%2C%20the,Roberts%20sustained%20severe%20injuries.

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