Do you agree with Katy Tur about this?

[senseandsensibility]

She just stated on her show that Kamala Harris ran with "Donald Trump is bad. You need me because he's bad. They were running a negative campaign based on their feelings and what they thought were the voters' feelings....there were voices yelling that you need to have a positive message, you need to give voters something to vote for, not just something to vote against."

That's not how I remember it at all. Kamala Harris did make concrete proposals to help average Americans. And her proposals were much more specific and realistic than trump's. Of course she went on offense. Of course she criticized him. She would have been insane not to. But the idea, which Tur is stating as fact, that she offered no positive vision, is just not accurate.

Just as they've done with President Biden, the corporate media is working full time to rewrite history.

Edited to add that later she was calling out the winner in the NYC Mayor race for offering free stuff, and said something like she would love free childcare, to which Ashley Parker piped in that she would too.
Of course the implication is that it's unrealistic and gimmicky to offer
"free stuff", but what struck me was the lack of self awareness of both her, and to a lesser extent, Parker. The AVERAGE PARENT would not just "love" free childcare, they NEED it. I'll spell it out for Katy: they don't make cable news salaries like yours. You can afford your own childcare. Get it? Wow. Even by her standards, that was tone deaf.

[Ocelot II]

1. I don't care what Katy Tur thinks about anything.

[Trueblue1968]

37. Katy Turd isn't a democrat, she is an @ss hole. I cant stand her. She trashed V9 Harris every chance she had

Bad bad woman.

[chowder66]

2. It's easy to shit on people than to do your job. She always seems to go out of her way to drag Democrats.

[0rganism]

13. What if shitting on people and dragging Democrats *is* the job?

She'd be a consummate professional in that case... IMHO, it would explain quite a lot of the behavior we see from MSM

[chowder66]

16. You got me there!

[0rganism]

18. They got all of us, right here

At least we'll have good company in the labor camps.

[choie]

36. BINGO!

[Botany]

3. I immediately turn off and tune out anything Katy Tur says.

She is a human remora. It is a fish that attach themselves to sharks and feed on
the left overs from what the shark eats. Attacking Vice President Harris for speaking
the truth about,Trump says more about Tur than about Vice President Harris.

[dem4decades]

4. She's just covering her ass, let's Trump run wild, blames the Democrats.

[sheshe2]

76. "Blames the Democrats"

Yep, there seems to be a lot of that going on, yes indeed...a lot.🤔

[dem4decades]

77. Is that directed at me?

[sheshe2]

79. Not at all, why would you think that?

Nothing you posted said anything like that. As for Tur, I can't stand her and she makes a habit out of bashing Dems.

[2naSalit]

5. she thinks?

News to me.

[mcar]

6. That is not even close to her campaign

MSM is just slinging shite.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

7. Katy Tur is a trump supporter

She is a tool of trump

[JustAnotherGen]

8. Nope!

And that's why I call her Katy Turd.

[JI7]

9. That's actually what the Republicans did with Harris

[bucolic_frolic]

10. The $50K tax credits for home businesses bothered Republicans

MAGAts couldn't start any home business.

[questionseverything]

52. Sigh, so how many people do you suppose have 50 grand laying around?

[bucolic_frolic]

60. you have a point

Was it credits, or deductions. I remember credits. But you're right, it didn't appeal to the masses. It would have helped yoga class startups, but mostly been banked by corporate wives operating a retail operation for the dual income household tax deductions, very common event already.

[Quiet Em]

11. It's not accurate and Katy is showing her ignorance.

Harris was all about economics. The con artist flat out ran on racism, sexism, bigotry and the grievances of White men.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

12. Harris actually ran a decent campaign given where the Biden/Harris administration was polling

The approval rating of economy was around 40%. Normally that percentage is what an incumbent administration would expect to get in the popular vote. Harris got around 48% of the vote because. Harris was not able to over come the negative polling on the economy

[spanone]

14. I stopped watching her.

[Oopsie Daisy]

15. Oh lord... here we go again!

Whaaa-whaaa-whaaa... more whining about needing to "fall in love" with our candidate who needs to "earn our vote" and needs to give voters "something to vote FOR" rather than to "vote against". What simple-minded crap is she spinning now?

Fuck her and fuck this rewriting history.

[W_HAMILTON]

17. She's a fucking moron.

Kamala and Walz ran on what looked like Hope and Change 2.0, which, given the uphill battle they had before them, I can't necessarily blame them for trying something out of the ordinary.

But it didn't work, because -- contrary to what some fucking idiots have said over the past decade -- it is much easier to vote against something than for something.

The Biden administration was the most progressive administration in most of our lives -- and it didn't end up mattering one fucking bit.

[gab13by13]

19. Kamala won the election

[Silent Type]

20. Don't agree with Tur, but situation forced VP Harris and Biden to stop mentioning people living paycheck to paycheck,

economic issues like inflation, etc. Too much "economy is great," "I wouldn't change anything," and trump is evil.

Not only did we lose electoral vote, but also the popular vote. That hasn't happened in quite awhile.

The only concrete proposals I remember were $50K for first time home buyers, agreeing to support trump's plan to reduce taxes on tips, overtime, and Social Security. I'm sure there were others, but not much of consequence. Beating trump was a big issue for me and other Dems, but not voters as a whole.

Admire Harris' valiant effort and tireless campaigning, but it was a tough situation that we shouldn't have been forced into.

[questionseverything]

44. I thought it was $25,000 for first time buyers but

When 60% of the country doesn’t have a thousand bucks saved for an emergency who did she think could qualify for a home loan?

I think our politicians have been so separated from the general public they just can’t comprehend people are deciding between utilities and food so buying a house seems like a taunt to them

[Troth_Aint_Truth]

21. Face of Racism and Misogyny

No. I recall the buzz word of Harris' campaign was JOY. I sadly feel that racism and misogyny kept people from voting for her. There was much more she could have pounded on if it was focused on only negativity. My god, Vance is doing that "eating the pets" schtick again.

[marble falls]

82. Welcome to DU!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

84. Welcome to DU

[senseandsensibility]

85. I want to join others in welcoming you to DU

Hope to hear more from you.

[Ping Tung]

22. I think Kamala had the same problem with turnout that Hillary did.

A lot of voters that aren't all that interested in politics because they hear that Hillary was sure thing because of the polls.
And a lot felt the same about Kamala and the thought that "Nobody in their right mind will vote for Trump." So, lets go out to dinner and a movie rather than waste our time voting for a sure thing."

[rurallib]

27. A lot of people were barred from voting by MAGA voter suppression

and if you think it is bad now just wait til 2026.

And America's far right media will cover it over by saying Dems didn't come out to vote etc. and Americans will regurgitate that line.

[Polly Hennessey]

23. Katie Tur thinks?

[Number9Dream]

24. Opposite - To me it was a 'take it easy on Trump' campaign

There should have been TV ads hammering Trump for the following, but I never saw a one:

Mr. Obama, in a speech two weeks before election day, pointing out that Trump inherited the great Obama economy, then, by botching the Covid pandemic, brought the economy crashing down. This should have been a TV ad starting one day after the Democratic Convention.

The Republicans torpedoing the Bi-partisan Border Bill.

Jan 6th / His inciting an insurrection... dead and injured police;

Botching the Covid pandemic and the resulting negative economic consequences;

Sam Elliot narration - Draft-dodger Donald - his anti-veteran statements.(Sam Elliot did a web ad for Kamala).

Trump's felony and other convictions;

Trump not returning stolen top secret documents;

Trump says "climate change is a Chinese hoax"; Then show wildfires, etc.

Ms. Harris' age vs Trump's age > Dementia?

Sam Elliot narration - Trump: The biggest "Sore-loser, cry-baby" of all time.

Anti-Semitic guests at Mar-A-Lago & Tucker Carlson;
Many others.
I blame and don't understand the "Let's go easy on Trump" strategy???

[senseandsensibility]

28. I agree

If anything, they weren't hard enough on him.

[Prairie Gates]

25. What was Harris' top line proposal and was it going to affect your life

No looking it up! It has to have been prominent enough and important enough that you can bring it to mind clearly from memory.

[2MuchNoise]

55. We're not going back.

[kentuck]

26. She can be pretty tone deaf sometimes.

It's hard to be positive when you are being attacked with lies and negativity. But, under the circumstances, Kamala did about as well as could be expected, in my opinion.

[Bev54]

49. Sometimes?

[Irish_Dem]

29. Katy Tur is lying as usual. She works for PutinTrump.

Kamala ran a happy joyous campaign.
She did do some warning about Trump, but that was not the focus at all.

[senseandsensibility]

31. So joyous

that they mocked her for her laugh. Of course, like Hillary, she was a woman so no matter what she did they'd mock her. If she was serious, they'd mock that too.

[Johonny]

30. President Trump never exists if the media

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Didn't suck ass. But the American media sucks ass. Katy is worthless and was exposed as a Trump insider by Cohen.

[ProfessorGAC]

32. To A Small Degree, Yes

Not that I want to defend a know-nothing like Tur, but I do feel the "existential threat" rhetoric was not wise when directed toward the average American. Too nebulous, too "in the weeds".
And, as to the things being proposed to help Americans, I think the message was directed toward people like us who stay plugged into this stuff on a daily basis.
On cost of living, it should have been "Here's what I would do AND this guy's tariffs will make things worse." No details, no numbers. Just make him the opposite of what he was selling.
Was there some negative campaigning? Yes. I think we did it wrong.

[sinkingfeeling]

33. No.

[karynnj]

34. Katy Tur and many others ignore the elephant in the room

Who Trump was was known by everyone. What he did in his first term was known, the crimes he and his company committed were known. The election was between two very different versions of the US. It can also be seen as a referendum on Trump.

I suspect that the keys to understanding the election are two things.

The first is that there is a large right wing bubble that has many outlets, all telling the same story. Their stories are lies, mis characterizations and character assignations of anyone not on their side. They attacked Democrats and even non MAGA Republicans, who had shown integrity , commitment and love of country. Even when their goals were 180 degrees from ours, it was because their values, which were in line with their actions, were 180 degrees from ours. Democracy needs people to have facts they agree on, differing on what to do based on those facts. That block was very motivated to get out and vote. They actually believe that Trump was both a great President and unfairly persecuted and threatened with jail.

The second problem was that we felt enormous relief when Biden took office and nominated a cabinet of qualified people. We relaxed further as he reassured the world, led an economic recovery better than any economist thought possible, and with narrowest margins passed legislation that was sorely needed. Meanwhile, January 6 and other Trump felonies were exposed and even though the courts slow walked things, he was convicted in NY of felonies and the other crimes were laid out in great detail. Yet even before the terrible debate, Trump was outpolling Biden and Biden had very low approval. Still, we really did not believe people would vote a convicted felon as President. We were the side with less fear of losing and less motivated.

As to motivation, both sides more and more see the other side in charge as not just a setback towards moving on our goals, but an existential danger to what our country is.

[senseandsensibility]

40. I don't disagree with anything you wrote

and the rightwing media bubble put us at a disadvantage at every turn. The situation was complicated, and needed an aggressive, simple approach. Go on offense, then say what you will do. Rinse. Repeat. The thing is I think she and her team did that, but it wasn't presented that way in most of the media.

[BurnDoubt]

35. So... Katy...

Where are your proposals to help average Americans?
Your mouth could say those things if it was important to you.
It does take such courage to mock from the Peanut Gallery.
But not so much if you get paid for it.
Shit-Stick is a lucrative job. Stir Away, but Go Away.
Opinion is worth next to nothing. But you are still cashing in.
Lying should have Consequences.

[miyazaki]

38. She seems disassociated about a lot to me.

There's no merit to whatever her take is on anything and pretty much a fraud like her old ex implied.

[H2O Man]

39. History tends

to be authored by the "winners." Thus, there is really no chance that both President Biden and VP Harris would not be attacked at this time. Parasites look for hosts.

I had initially wanted then Senator Harris to be our candidate in 2020. I thought she would do best in debating the felon. But I had no problem switching to Joe Biden. Heck, I had wanted him for president for decades. In 2024, I supported President Biden. When VP Harris became our party's candidate, I found it uncomfortable. But I understood why, and was happy to support VP Harris.

In their debate, I thought VP Harris was as good as any candidate in my lifetime. Nothing any journalist ever says will change the great respect I have for President Biden and VP Harris.

[Nigrum Cattus]

41. Ask Keith Olbermann about the Turd

She is bought & sold corporatist

[swong19104]

42. And furthermore

childcare is free in many nations around the world. Indeed most necessary things are free, at the point of use, in many countries. And in some countries where they’re trying to put a price at the point of use, the governments are meeting pushback.

[Collimator]

69. Childcare was subsidized during WWII when women were needed in the factories.

I remember learning about that in a lecture during college. Women's magazines were putting out "quick 'n easy" recipes and there was a coordinated social effort --spearheaded by the government--to make women feel guilty for NOT leaving their children and going to work for the war effort.

Of course, when the war was over and "the boys" were back home, "real women" stayed home and worn cinched-waist dresses when they weren't producing three to five children. I'm not saying that those young men didn't sacrifice for their country; of course they did. But women have always been expected to sacrifice while being told to smile and look nice the whole effing time.

Anyway, I don't want to get off into a long, drawn out tangent. Here's an article that talks about government-supported childcare during WWII.

U.S. Government-Funded Child Care During WWII.

[senseandsensibility]

70. Yes, the part about childcare was added later to my OP

so I'm not sure how many read it. But in some ways it seemed worse than the other comments. Just totally out of touch and tone deaf while she is scolding Kamala for not speaking to the people.

[Joinfortmill]

43. Ask Keith Olbermann what he thinks of her.

He knows her very well, indeed. I'll bet he'll have a few choice words to say about this.

[OnDoutside]

74. This. She's a liar of epic proportions.

[jrthin]

45. If we know the media is doing what you said, why on earth do you and others

keep watching them, in essence, supporting them? Is this a Stockholm Syndrome thing?

[barbtries]

46. full disclosure i quit reading after the first sentence,

but katy tur is full of shit.

krasnov's campaign was of course so positive. they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats. marauding hordes of rapists and murderers coming to your neighborhood soon because democrats want open borders. they'll tax you into poverty. she's stupid, she's not white! she's female!

fuck tur.

[Ferrets are Cool]

47. She is an idiot.

[Picaro]

48. No, I don't

Katy Tur is not a credible source.

She ‘s a faux centrist right wing shill.

[JT45242]

50. Katy turd is a lying liar...

There all sorts of concrete things that Harris and walz talked about.

Media didn't care.

Some voters didn't want to vote for that "uppity black woman"...nothing about policy mattered.

Plus people like Katie Turd never talked about how disastrous the felons policies would be...tariffs, project 2025, etc. when the felon lied and said I'm not connected to project 2025 they just pushed it under the rug

Fuck Katie Turd and her hypocritical lying

[maspaha]

51. Katy Tur is auditioning for a job at CNN

I think her dad is trans so right there shows her allegiance.

[Liberal In Texas]

68. I read she ghosted him/her when she found out about it.

(Him then, her now)
She will probably always have a job waiting at Fox.

[Escape]

53. Trying to make sense of the 24 election.....

is a Fool's Errand. The results of the election made no sense, except that a slight majority of citizens of the United States are moronic, dishonest, dis compassionate assholes.

There is no magic formula to change that.

[grockri]

54. Total Bull$%@

Kamala ran a positive campaign. She was going to do a lot. She talked about it. She did voice concern over trump but wasn't negative. He is far worse than we imagined. We lose! This is why I can't watch MSNBC anymore!

[Sparkly]

56. Absolutely NOT, and they play this game every time

including DURING the campaigns.

If the Democratic ticket only talk about themselves, they're not drawing enough contrast with the opponent or pointing out his flaws.
If they do draw the contrast and point out those flaws, they're bashing the other guy and not being positive in presenting their own policy positions.

If they draw very specific policy proposals with great details and white papers, they're making laundry lists and losing voters with too many words when simple bumper sticker messenges would resonate.
If they boil it down to a few specifics, then they aren't being clear, they haven't explained why they're running, and nobody hears what they're offering.

If they offer things voters like, there's something wrong with how they did it -- how they talk, dress, laugh, or maybe a word out of place!
The other guy talks out of both sides of his mouth, has all the decorum of a bratty 6-year-old, and lies constantly, but they're not supposed to mention that too much, or we're back to the top...

[FakeNoose]

57. I'm convinced that somebody else at MSNBC is writing her shows & opinions

... because she's too stupid to write her own. Maybe it's Chuck Todd, if he's still working there? I don't know.

[doc03]

58. She is full of shit. She talked ten times more about issues than Dump.

[Paladin]

59. What's Katy Tur want? A new job at the NY Times opinion section?

Sure as hell sounds like it---she's definitely got her Democrat-bashing kicked into high gear.

Helpful hint to Ms. Tur: Donald Trump is bad---as in, the very worst, most destructive, brain-dead president this country has ever experienced.

[rickyhall]

61. Kamala won. They cheated again. Same old story.

[YorkRd]

62. Well paid corporate propagandist

[GiqueCee]

63. Katy Tur...

... took her 30 pieces of silver for whatever integrity she might have had, and now spews whatever right-wing drivel she's fed by her corporate masters. If she said the sky was blue, I'd get a second opinion.

[Bread and Circuses]

64. Nope. Why is everyone dragging VP Harris? .....

It’s not about the message or candidate. Republican voters are high on hate and cruelty. They’ve been told for 50 years that the government gives thousands to welfare moms and their 20 kids and that all their problems are due to black and brown people. We must recognize that 77 million people don’t know what democracy is , but they hate it. They prefer a circus act and a dictatorship.

It’s not her fault!

Stop, already.

[Quanto Magnus]

65. Why is anyone listening to her?

Just another shitty rich person....

[Tribetime]

66. I can't stand Katy Tur. If the media did their job Harris would be President

Harris had to be perfect while drump just had to know the difference between a cow and a chicken.

[maxrandb]

67. I'd like these stupid fucking presstitutes to answer me this...

What the fucking "positive" did that Nazi fascist, with a shaved Golden Retriever's ass where his face should be, offer???????

Seriously! WTF is "positive" about this asspickles entire, miserable existence??

He came out of his mother's vagina, a raging, evil, worthless pile of amphibian shit, and has only gotten worse.

He has no values.

He has no morals.

He has no ethics.

He has no compassion, or empathy.

If it weren't for the human emotion of envy, you would not even consider him a human fucking being!

It's the 50th anniversary of the movie Jaws. There is a great scene where Hooper explains; "what you have here is a perfect eating machine. All this shark does is swim, and eat and make baby sharks".

All Donnie Dipshit does is breath, and eat and make baby nazis!

Maybe things would have been different, if every lazy fucking "stenographer" like Katy Tur, didn't put a fucking positive spin on every evil, smelly fart he spews out of his face-anus!

Sorry! I've used too many words to say; "Katy! Go fuck yourself sideways!

[2MuchNoise]

73. I think you used just the right number of words. All true words. The best words.

[dlilafae]

71. I don't think too many of us care what Katy Turr says/thinks.

That's not my take on it.

[Emile]

72. Katy Tur wouldn't say that.

[mzmolly]

75. She's a whiny hack

IMO. I can't stand her show.

Katy should have educated herself and voters in 2024. Instead, she makes excuses for her failure (as a 'journalist') to shed light on the truth.

[ecstatic]

78. I'm surprised that she's still on the air. She's super boring, smug, and

she has horrible, ill-informed takes on every issue.

Who is her audience? People who forget to change the channel while waiting for Nicolle's show to start?

msnbc is a front of some kind because they couldn't care less about ratings.

[unblock]

80. Kamala ran a very positive, optimistic campaign while Donnie's was a curmudgeon's whiny snooze fest

Turd is rewriting history.

It's classic propaganda. Note that donnie objectively a horrible president, a horrible candidate, a convicted felon, and incompetent monster, etc. the media should have been screaming their heads off, sounding 5 alarm emergency about what a disaster donnie would be.

So to criticize Harris for supposedly campaigning on the "donnie is bad" narrative is a way for a propagandist to erase or dismiss that narrative. If it isn't false. It's a losing narrative. Who cares if it's true.

If turd was around when some people were saying "the British are coming", turd would be saying they seem friendly and why be negative?

[senseandsensibility]

83. Very good synopsis

I've often thought that the corporate media is trying, through comments like these, to dissuade Dems from criticizing trump. It tries to paint valid, truthful attacks as some tired narrative so that Dems back off. Unfortunately, some Dems seem to fall for it.

[yellow dahlia]

81. I agree with you...not Katy Tur.

[Kaleva]

86. I recall Trump ads saying how bad Harris was. Lots of those on YouTube.

[Rebl2]

87. I don't

agree with her on anything!