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Eliot Rosewater

(33,001 posts)
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:16 PM Wednesday

Over 100 Democrats in the US house vote with Republicans not to impeach the piece of shit?

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/24/trump-impeachment-trump-iran-al-green-democrats


Are you fucking kidding me, doesn’t matter whether it would work or not it will never work of course as long as traitors to this country control our government. I just don’t know what else to do anymore.😡😡😡😡

The traitors are of course the Republican Party, I don’t wanna hear the strategic reasons why they did this, we’re out of time.

There are legitimately and actual hundreds if not thousands of legal reasons you could impeach this piece of shit, and this is a big one, and they still do nothing.

And I bet most of you have still not watched the Christopher Titus rigged YouTube videos with the election experts, pointing out how clearly it was rigged
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Over 100 Democrats in the US house vote with Republicans not to impeach the piece of shit? (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Wednesday OP
Let's eat those 128 too. How dare they vote against a stunt that won't gain us one vote at polls when it counts. Silent Type Wednesday #1
JMO, but... -misanthroptimist Wednesday #4
This has already been decided in the courts. Someone wants to impeach him for something that is not illegal. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #5
Impeachment isn't merely for illegal acts -misanthroptimist Wednesday #7
LOL! It's never going to happen. A complete waste of time. Let's do things that are possible instead. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #8
And that, dear person, is why... -misanthroptimist Wednesday #9
No. That's not what I think at all. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #10
They lost 5 out of 6 presidential elections. Ace Rothstein Wednesday #11
The first part of this is to jog my own memory. -misanthroptimist Wednesday #12
War Powers Resolution ITAL Wednesday #2
Again, this was settled in court Greg_In_SF Wednesday #3
It's about timing. kentuck Wednesday #6
Over 100 Democrats support what Trump is currently doing. No need to run ourselves through hoops to come up with... Lancero Wednesday #13
Sigh Eliot Rosewater Wednesday #14

Silent Type

(10,259 posts)
1. Let's eat those 128 too. How dare they vote against a stunt that won't gain us one vote at polls when it counts.
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:23 PM
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-misanthroptimist

(1,384 posts)
4. JMO, but...
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:39 PM
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...I think that principle should take precedence over politics when the Constitution is at stake.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,063 posts)
5. This has already been decided in the courts. Someone wants to impeach him for something that is not illegal.
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:41 PM
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I applaud our Democrats for knowing the difference between grandstanding and applying the law.

-misanthroptimist

(1,384 posts)
7. Impeachment isn't merely for illegal acts
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:45 PM
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It is also for misusing power...or, frankly, anything else Congress wants. They are the sole arbiters of both Impeachment and Removal.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,063 posts)
8. LOL! It's never going to happen. A complete waste of time. Let's do things that are possible instead.
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:48 PM
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-misanthroptimist

(1,384 posts)
9. And that, dear person, is why...
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 01:03 PM
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...the Democratic Party (and more importantly, America) is where we are today.

After Mondale lost 49 states, the Party began moving to the right. Democrats abandoned the air traffic controllers, and unions more generally. There was a movement to the political right. The Party has now come so far to the right that we are far to the right of where Republicans were even in the 1990s.

I don't think pragmatism has worked very well for either the Party or the Nation. In fact, I know it hasn't.

And deep down so do you.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,063 posts)
10. No. That's not what I think at all.
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 01:12 PM
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I have said what I mean, and I mean what I say. If you do not believe me, then that's your problem, not mine.

I'm done with you. We've reached an impasse. Bye.

Ace Rothstein

(3,355 posts)
11. They lost 5 out of 6 presidential elections.
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 01:23 PM
Wednesday

There's a reason why the party moved in the direction it did. And socially, the party is way left of where Republicans were in the 90's.

-misanthroptimist

(1,384 posts)
12. The first part of this is to jog my own memory.
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 01:59 PM
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Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump

Johnson escalated Viet Nam. Nixon promised "Peace with Honor" which led to his second (abbreviated term). Reagan won in '80 because Carter was perceived as awful (along with the fuckery Reagan pulled with) Iran. Reagan won in '84 because Gary Hart couldn't keep it in his pants (which led to the disastrous Walter Mondale). Bush won because Dukakis looked silly in a tank...along with a very healthy assist from the Willie Horton ad. Bush II won...well, he didn't. He was installed by a corrupt Supreme Court.

The only time it was "the economy" in all of this was in 1980. Ironically, the economic stats from Reagan's first term were worse than Carter's. That's how bad a candidate Mondale was.

Incidentally, there is good reason to believe that Clinton won both of his terms due to Ross Perot's participation.

As for social issues, we're certainly further left than we used to be. In some cases, though we've moved so far left that we are only "left" in the same sense the USSR was left. We've become authoritarian. Certain words can't be used, regardless of context or intent. Certainly, epithets should always be condemned. But in many cases people are excoriated for using terms or words that, while inelegant or insensitive, are by and large harmless. So, even socially we are a mixed bag. Oh, and that over sensitivity is used against regularly and effectively.

ITAL

(1,091 posts)
2. War Powers Resolution
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:28 PM
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That resolution, which sought to curtail presidential authority to put troops into action after Vietnam, basically gives the commander-in-chief broad scope to use the military for about 60 days. Unless Trump is suckered back into Iran soon with more sorties, it really doesn't fall under something that is impeachable. It's less of a violation of the spirit of the law than Obama did in Libya, or both Obama and Trump did in Syria previously.

Greg_In_SF

(272 posts)
3. Again, this was settled in court
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:30 PM
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following Obama's bombing of Libya.

There is NO advance warning that needs to be given to Congress.

The Commander In Chief is to notify Congress within 48 hours AFTER an attack.

There is no impeachable offense here and those who voted against it did the right thing.

kentuck

(114,171 posts)
6. It's about timing.
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 12:43 PM
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This is the time to talk about "impeachment", not to act upon it, in my opinion. Set the table for when it is possible or necessary. It is not now possible. The circumstances do not warrant such a battle at this time, in my opinion.

Lancero

(3,218 posts)
13. Over 100 Democrats support what Trump is currently doing. No need to run ourselves through hoops to come up with...
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 02:01 PM
Wednesday

Some sort of a "It's 4-d chess!" answer to justify why they want to keep Trump in office.

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