Young people want new fighters in DEM party, but entrenched DEM establishment w/ billionaire $$ torpedo candidate young

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

@danpfeiffer.bsky.social : “We’re all going ‘how can we get young people to stick with Democrats?’— then there’s a candidate they get excited about ( @zohrankmamdani.bsky.social ) and the Dem establishment & billionaires get together to torpedo his candidacy- to do it for Cuomo is unforgivable.”

🔥 @danpfeiffer.bsky.social : “We’re all going ‘how can we get young people to stick with Democrats?’— then there’s a candidate they get excited about ( @zohrankmamdani.bsky.social ) and the Dem establishment & billionaires get together to torpedo his candidacy- to do it for Cuomo is unforgivable.”

— The Tennessee Holler (@thetnholler.bsky.social) 2025-06-24T22:09:04.046Z

[msongs]

1. from what I read the "young" guy has lots of baggage his followers would like to overlook nt

[Cuthbert Allgood]

18. Well, the establishment is overlooking Cuomo's baggage, so...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Anyone surprised?!

[Torchlight]

57. So... we either admit baggage has no relevance anymore

or apply judgement equally, even when it affects the present as well as the past.

[brush]

30. Yep, white, racist male, trump supporters are not going to vote for...

Democratc Socialist of all political persuasions. Didn't we already learn that from Bernie v Hillary?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

43. They aren't going to vote Dem at all? So what's the point?

Should the Dems run a Republican to get votes?

[W_HAMILTON]

61. No, but they also shouldn't run candidates that cater to people that are notoriously fickle and can't be relied upon...

...especially if it comes at the expense of more reliable voters that can be counted on.

I know it's a crazy idea, but hear me out: how about putting forth candidates that appeal to the most voters and can get the most votes? Which is what the primary process is for...But a certain segment of the left seems to think that the dastardly DNC is """rigging""" everything against them, even though time and time again there are examples -- like last night in NYC -- of their candidates winning. When their candidates lose, it ain't because of DNC """rigging""" -- it's because they are usually flawed candidates who do not have the support that other candidates have.

If your preferred candidate can't make it through the primary and earn the support of a majority of Democratic voters, odds are they have no chance in hell of winning the general election.

[brush]

73. Run a Democrat, not a Socialist.

trump supports won't vote for a socialist. It's not that complicated.

[brush]

74. The point is all white males are not trump sycophants. It we Dems pick the right candidate...

we can pull some white males over to our side. Pritzker, Bashear, Kelly, Moore and others come to mind.

trumps numbers are cratering as inflation rises, not to mention the Iran bombing, and if we take the House back in 2026, he won't be able to keep up his insane wannabe dictator bullshit.

I'm optimistic about our chances for '26 and '28. If we had had the right, and I have to say it, the right and younger male candidate in '24 with a standard two-year long campaign, we'd have wiped the floor with the insurrectionist found guilty of 34 felon counts and of being an adjudicated rapist who rescinded abortion rights for women.

It's pretty obvious America is not ready to elect a woman president...Hillary and Harris showed that as both ran good campaigns Comey torpedoed Hillary and Joe has the age disadvantage and never should've run for reelection.

That's the point.

[thought crime]

47. Like what?

[comradebillyboy]

2. All the young folks need to do is win some elections

and then they will have more credibility.

[tritsofme]

3. It's nothing to do with age, I personally wouldn't support a candidate like Mamdani even if he was an 83 year old white

guy from Vermont.

[emulatorloo]

17. Yes. He's campaigning w that horrid Hasan Piker, a virulent anti-Semite who claims the US deserved 9/11

[Nanjeanne]

40. He did not campaign with him. He did a live stream interview with him. His statement on that was

“I am willing to speak to each and every person about this campaign, and I’ve said that from the beginning,”

[emulatorloo]

66. Sure n/t

[iemanja]

23. Are you in NY?

Then will you vote for Silwa or Adams?

[Jilly_in_VA]

59. That's YOUR problem

I would, and I'm 81, or will be on Sunday anyway. I also support AOC and Jasmine Crockett---do you? Or would you rather vote for sex pest Cuomo? Or (gag) Eric Adams?

[emulatorloo]

67. Did poster say they don't like AOC or Crockett? Or that they love Cuomo? No.

Try to avoid putting words in people’s mouths they didn’t say.

You probably wouldn’t like it if someone did that to you.

[stopdiggin]

4. young people are (as ever) still 100% able to cast their vote

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for anyone they choose ..... (as long as they get their butt registered)
And the guy in the frame HERE - was certainly no peach.
Not going to shed big tears with this - because another fairly crap 'progressive' candidate - once more loses the popular vote ... (to another decidedly so-so candidate who also carried considerable baggage!)

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Edit: and according to more recent - and probably more accurate - posts, those awful 'corporate Democrats' have in fact NOT torpedoed this man's campaign - and he is actually (for good or ill) showing a significant first round victory this evening.
Making both my, and the OP, post - both factually incorrect, and 100% irrelevant. So, have a nice day! And in the words of Gilda R, "Nevermind!"

[mcar]

5. Mamdani has serious issues

He is seemingly anti-semitic.

Cuomo is terrible.

I'm surprised NYC couldn't do better with their candidates.

[David__77]

22. His victory sends just the right message about what the Democratic Party stands for.

I can’t understand your statement.

People will look back on this as a great and unifying moment for the Democratic Party.

[uponit7771]

34. "He is seemingly anti-semitic." What has he said or done that makes him so? thx in advance

[Nanjeanne]

41. "Seemingly"? Is that based on your reading of his actual statements or is it based on reading what

others say?

Because he has addressed these attacks and questions a number of times and his statements are easily found. I’ve read nothing in his actual statements and deeds that seem antisemitic and I say that as a Jew.

[BannonsLiver]

48. If I were betting I'd bet on it being a bit of a mess.

Mostly because NYC is hard to govern. We shall see. At least it wasn’t Cuomo.

[thought crime]

54. "seemingly anti-semitic" ? Try some Palestinian Chicken.

[Autumn]

7. When the voter is offered crap or crap they will pick crap or stay home.

Either way it's their fault.

[OnDoutside]

10. I was surprised Maya Wiley didn't have another go this time.

[JI7]

11. Would she have had a real chance ? It seems like NYC tends to vote

kind of moderate or tough on crime types when it comes to Mayor.

DeBlasio is the only one I can think in recent years that was more left type but he was very unpopular.

[OnDoutside]

13. With these two candidates, I'd like to think she would have been in the mix.

She was only about 1% behind Garcia when she was eliminated, and she came out of that race with a lot of kudos.

[Maru Kitteh]

16. Unfathomable. 20M people and this is all they could field for mayor?

Crap and more crap indeed.

[Skittles]

38. I find it mind boggling too

WTF is going on?

[thought crime]

56. WTF is going on with this thread?

[Skittles]

71. I'm thinking more of Cuomo

much of the old guard needs to pass the baton already - it is getting very tiresome.....I bet that sentiment drove a lot of the vote, not just the perversion thing.......we need better candidates......(note: I honestly don't know much about the gentleman who won)

I

[JI7]

8. Young people like AOC , Jasmine Crockett, Maxwell Frost, Jon Ossoff

were able to win.

[emulatorloo]

20. Exactly n/t

[brush]

31. It's the Democratic Socialist label. It just doesn't work for the vast majority of Amercans.

Been there, done that in Hillary v Bernie.

AOC better learn that finally if she wants to run for higher office.

[uponit7771]

35. The message is the party to be more progressive not a NY politician imho

[Klarkashton]

53. Then why did he crush it?

[brush]

72. NYC is not the vast majority of Americans.

We'll see if trump, white male sycophants vote for Democratic Socialist policies in the midterms.

[Skittles]

9. IT'S NOT JUST YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS

PLENTY OF US GEEZERS WISH SOME DEMS WOULD PASS THE BATON ALREADY

[Oopsie Daisy]

12. Oh good God 🙄🥱

[Samael13]

15. I get what you're saying

But he's not the candidate to wave the flag of a new generation his baggage makes him a liability in the wider electorate truthfully there's not a good democrat in the mayoral race. So the party is saying better the devil we know that may have a chance at winning than someone who may hinder the chances of electing a democratic mayor.

[emulatorloo]

19. If only we could find a progressive candidate who doesn't wanna "globalize the intifada"

and didn’t refuse to vote to make revenge porn illegal.

Surely there must be someone out there?

[stopdiggin]

21. +1. If this is your 'standard bearer' .... That really ain't 'sayin' much. Eh?

[iemanja]

26. "Your"

Is yours the Republican? Or Eric Adams?

[stopdiggin]

33. There are a number of things that give me pause in regard to Mr. Mamdani

I am far from alone in that. And for that reason - respectfully, I cannot see him as any sort of torch bearer for the Democratic party. I hope that is plain speaking enough for you.
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[iemanja]

37. I'm not a NYer

So I can’t say I know much about him, but I tend to like Dems to win in the GE.

[stopdiggin]

45. granted. but what wins in NYC - doesn't necessarily in PA

and almost certainly doesn't in MN, WA, CO, AZ, Fl, KY .... And therein ....
I made it clear in original post that I'm not offering any plaudits (or defense) for Cuomo. My point remains entirely that I don't (and really can't) see Mamdani as any sort of 'standard bearer' for the party.

[iemanja]

25. What does he mean by globalize the intifada?

Intifada means uprising.

[Nanjeanne]

42. His statement below. And the word intifada directly translates to "shaking off"

2. Defense of the phrase “globalize the intifada”

“To me, ultimately, what I hear in so many is a desperate desire for equality and equal rights in standing up for Palestinian human rights,” Mamdani said on The Bulwark last week when asked about the phrase. “The very word [intifada] has been used by the Holocaust Museum when translating the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising into Arabic, because it’s a word that means struggle.”

The word “intifada” directly translates to “shaking off.” Palestinians have launched two “intifadas” against Israel and its military occupation — the First Intifada, beginning in 1987, was marked by widespread Palestinian protests. During the Second Intifada, beginning in 2000, Palestinian militants conducted suicide bombings targeting Israeli civilians on public buses, restaurants and shopping and pedestrian malls. In response, Israel carried out fierce military reprisals.

Mamdani’s defense of the term — which many Jews see as a call to globalize violence perpetrated against Israeli Jews in the Second Intifada — was condemned by Jewish leaders.

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum issued a statement calling Mamdani’s invocation of the Holocaust “outrageous” and “especially offensive to survivors.” A web archive shows the museum did use the word in an online article about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising that was translated into Arabic.

After the interview, Mamdani released a statement further explaining his position:

“As the highest profile Muslim candidate in NY history, I feel an obligation to speak out against violence and against bad faith or misinformed efforts to manipulate language in ways that only contribute to the division we’re seeking to overcome,” he said. “I’ve repeatedly condemned any calls for violence.”

Mamdani added Friday that “globalize the intifada” is “not the language that I use,” but added “the role of the mayor is not to police language.”

[stopdiggin]

52. and was almost immediately slapped down on his Holocaust, intifada, and museum analogy

by the very Museum he was attempting to co-opt and smarm his way past.
So, if you like yourself some clever rhetoric and smarmy political double speak ... Step right up!

Oh, and, "river to the sea" - doesn't really mean, what it has always meant to people that coined the term .... Because - " 'words' - what do they really mean anyway .. ?"

[David__77]

29. Ron DeSantis will likely call him "woke". Time for the smelling salts.

[emulatorloo]

68. Who here gives a shit about Ron DeSantis?

Nobody!

[H2O Man]

24. Wait a minute!!!!

Didn't we see leaders endorsing bold new leadership? I mean, President Clinton endorsed Cuomo.

Way fucking recommended.

[The Roux Comes First]

27. Admittedly W/o Having Scoured the Great Comments, May I Just Add That "Entrenched DEM Establishment"

Absolutely rings a bell with me. This "party" seems to be intent on repeating prior ineptness and dodging new ideas as hard as they can.

Maybe those fat positions in congress have spoiled them.

[uponit7771]

36. Yep, the lack of coherent message right now alone makes this obvious

[ILikePie92]

32. Nothing new

See David Hogg

[awesomerwb1]

39. I saw Hogg on Twitter

quite a few times he was more anti-Democratic party in his comments than he was anti-GOP/MAGA.

He can go...... Maybe Andrew Yang will take him.

[ILikePie92]

46. Well

That's your opinion on Hogg. I totally disagree. I just think Hogg is focusing on the Schumer type Dems. The ones who he feels needs to be gone.

[awesomerwb1]

51. It's an opinion based on facts. Go look up his twitter account

I'm sure there's a few crazy angry tweets he hasn't deleted.

If that's him "focusing", he can go fufocus somewhere else. Imo

I am not pro "establishment" nor am I a "burn it all down, Dems suck" progressive.

[ILikePie92]

60. Again

It's your opinion and I disagree.

[awesomerwb1]

63. Again

It's based on facts. If you won't even try to look at his tweets, you're missing some facts. Bye now. (Gonna have to block you. bye)

[ILikePie92]

64. Haha

[iemanja]

70. It would help if you provided evidence

Your claim that you are the only one operating based on facts doesn't mean much without evidence. You could post some tweets yourself. You make a point, then it's incumbent on you to provide evidence to support that point--not expecting someone to go find tweets that bothered you.

I've read plenty of went Hogg says. I haven't seen anything close to "burn it all down." I see someone who wants the party to evolve so it can actually win. Then I see those who want incumbents to serve for life without ever being subject to a democratic challenger in a primary. They are intent on maintaining the status quo, which means to continue losing. Some are happy with a party with a 26% approval rating. That's not a rational position. Moreover, it doesn't seem to matter what those who don't want change think. Voters have chosen to exercise their own views. It's clear that voters will determine the future of the party.

[betsuni]

44. "entrenched establishment" -- target young people with emotional disinformation to get them to hate Democrats.

Next election is coming up! Polarize polarize polarize.

[sheshe2]

65. And the result...we will Lose lose lose.

[Quiet Em]

49. Am I missing something? I thought Mamdani won the primary?

???

[BannonsLiver]

50. I guess we'll find out

I’d still bet dollars to donuts the ‘28 nominee is a lot closer to someone like Andy Beshear than that guy, though.

[Arazi]

55. It will be. Beshear, Pritzker, maybe Van Hollen

Too early to speculate but it’s gonna be a mainstream white guy Dem. Atm Pritzker is my top contender but keeping an open mind about n Beshear, Shapiro, a Dem senator etc as events unfold over the next couple years.

And I’m perfectly ok with that for 2028 - we need to beat Traitor. Happy to have progressive Dems like Mamdani get on the ladder tho even if I’m not at all convinced he has national appeal.

One step at a time…

[emulatorloo]

69. Yeah I don't think w can extrapolate a lot from a NYC mayoral dem primary. Very unique situation.

[Ping Tung]

58. At 81, I'm no longer qualified to be a 'Young People" but I'm with them on the never ending Left vs rRight conflict

in the party.

Politics as usual is becoming a no-sale to the public.