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indusurb

(113 posts)
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:23 PM Yesterday

At this point let Iran build their damn nuke.

Let them build a delivery system for it. Hell, let them have a half dozen, or a dozen. It really doesn't matter.

Nukes are, in many ways, the most useless weapons in the world. Countries that have nukes aren't going to be the first to drop them because they know if they drop them their nuke equipped opponent, and/or allies will retaliate with nukes in an act of mutually assured destruction. That's the reason why, over the decades since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, through the ensuing chaos and military posturing of those years, nobody has dropped the big one. He dies, she dies, we all die, and not even the craziest leaders in the world want that(looking at you here North Korea).

The only thing a nuke is good for in these times is security, the security blanket knowledge that a country can retaliate if push ever comes to shove.

So let Iran have their security blanket, it will actually a take bone of contention off the table, calm matters down, and real progress can be made on the diplomatic front instead of fighting about a weapons system that will never be used in an offensive capacity. Otherwise we're just going continue to see more ongoing madness, taking lives, destroying countries, all over the most useless weapon in the world.

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At this point let Iran build their damn nuke. (Original Post) indusurb Yesterday OP
There is no safety in the cosmos. Alan Watts Ping Tung Yesterday #1
H. L. Mencken Wifes husband Yesterday #3
Mencken should be required reading for all of us. FadedMullet Yesterday #10
Agreed Wifes husband Yesterday #22
Sure, because nothing makes one feel secure as having an 86 year old Ali Khamenei controlling lostincalifornia Yesterday #2
Same thing was said about the leaders of North Korea and Pakistan when they were looking to build nukes indusurb Yesterday #5
no it isn't lostincalifornia Yesterday #7
Pakistan was in much the same position as Iran indusurb Yesterday #12
George war bush invaded Iraq because they didn't have nukes or an effective military. That's reason enough for every Silent Type Yesterday #4
I believe Tehran would first-strike Israel even knowing Tehran would result in a glass ashtray. WarGamer Yesterday #6
Same thing said at the time about Pakistan indusurb Yesterday #8
The thing is -- you can't afford to be wrong onenote Yesterday #11
Don't look at posters, indusurb Yesterday #14
I doubt that Japan would have had the ability to reach the us with a bomb in 1945 onenote Yesterday #16
you may be forgetting Disaffected Yesterday #13
I agree. Then start disarmament talks between Israel and Iran. Let's see both sides give up their nukes. FadedMullet Yesterday #9
If Iran gets its nukes purple_haze Yesterday #15
For some reason Israel is not fond of the idea...something to do with the official govt chant.. EX500rider Yesterday #17
Both-siding Iran, eh? TheProle Yesterday #18
Psst, they're already doing it I presume Arazi Yesterday #19
Can't blame them you get a nuke nobody doc03 Yesterday #20
It is a proven deterrent. dalton99a Yesterday #21

Wifes husband

(447 posts)
3. H. L. Mencken
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:34 PM
Yesterday

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

lostincalifornia

(3,668 posts)
2. Sure, because nothing makes one feel secure as having an 86 year old Ali Khamenei controlling
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:33 PM
Yesterday

the order of a nuclear armed missile.

I am sure their proxies hamas and hezbolah would love to get their hands on a nuclear armed rocket.

No thank-you.

indusurb

(113 posts)
5. Same thing was said about the leaders of North Korea and Pakistan when they were looking to build nukes
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:36 PM
Yesterday

Yet here we are.

indusurb

(113 posts)
12. Pakistan was in much the same position as Iran
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:52 PM
Yesterday

With the same threats and accusation being thrown at them as are now thrown at Iran. Yet in the decades since they developed the bomb it has been used as a deterrent, and has allowed Pakistan and India to coexist in relative peace.
https://thursdaytimes.com/2025/04/29/opinion/the-road-to-deterrence-how-pakistan-built-its-nuclear-arsenal/

Silent Type

(10,131 posts)
4. George war bush invaded Iraq because they didn't have nukes or an effective military. That's reason enough for every
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:34 PM
Yesterday

country to pursue nukes.

Beside, only one country has ever nuked anyone.

WarGamer

(17,387 posts)
6. I believe Tehran would first-strike Israel even knowing Tehran would result in a glass ashtray.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:36 PM
Yesterday

No, Iran can't have a nuke.

indusurb

(113 posts)
8. Same thing said at the time about Pakistan
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:39 PM
Yesterday

Hasn't happened, won't happen. Despite acting crazy, leaders of a country are quite sane when it comes to keeping their country and population intact.

onenote

(45,364 posts)
11. The thing is -- you can't afford to be wrong
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:51 PM
Yesterday

And the track record of posters on social media in being certain about things doesn’t give me any comfort

indusurb

(113 posts)
14. Don't look at posters,
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:55 PM
Yesterday

Look at the real world, at realpolitik. Who is the only country to drop the bomb, the only one who had it at the time, us. If Japan had the bomb, I guarantee we wouldn't have dropped ours. Bombs are no longer practical as offensive weapons, at best they are a security blanket, a deterrent.

Disaffected

(5,694 posts)
13. you may be forgetting
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:53 PM
Yesterday

the most probably cause of a nuclear war is an accidental launch or the risk of retaliation to a false alarm (as has happened all too frequently in past). The more countries that have nukes, the greater the chance of that happening.

Another country with nukes is an absolutely bad idea.

FadedMullet

(225 posts)
9. I agree. Then start disarmament talks between Israel and Iran. Let's see both sides give up their nukes.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:48 PM
Yesterday

EX500rider

(11,910 posts)
17. For some reason Israel is not fond of the idea...something to do with the official govt chant..
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 06:03 PM
Yesterday

"Death To Israel!"

Nor are any of their neighbors excited about Iranian nuclear threats and blackmail in their future.

And the last person to trust with nukes would be someone on a mission from God/Allah.

Arazi

(8,012 posts)
19. Psst, they're already doing it I presume
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 06:35 PM
Yesterday

As fast as possible. No way are they waiting now.

I’d bet there’s a test within the next year.

doc03

(38,021 posts)
20. Can't blame them you get a nuke nobody
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 06:45 PM
Yesterday

messes with you. Nobody bombs North Korea we are scared Ukraine will piss off Russia.


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