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In It to Win It

(12,642 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 04:59 PM Jun 2025

BREAKING: SCOTUS clears the way for the Trump administration to remove migrants to third countries

Steve Vladeck
‪@stevevladeck.bsky.social‬

#BREAKING: Over a (sharp) public dissent from the three Democratic appointees, #SCOTUS clears the way for the Trump administration to remove migrants to third countries *without* giving them an additional opportunity to contest whether they face persecution or other forms of mistreatment there:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a1153_l5gm.pdf

DISASTROUS. This means they will send people to horrific situations with no due process — in direct violation of promises the Solicitor General made to the Court in previous cases.

This greenlights sending people to be enslaved in Libya or tortured in any random foreign country.

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@reichlinmelnick.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T20:36:36.031Z

From Justice Sotomayor's dissent: Given its conduct
in these proceedings, the Government’s posture resembles
that of the arsonist who calls 911 to report firefighters for
violating a local noise ordinance

Leah Litman (@leahlitman.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T20:50:56.190Z

SCOTUS enabling LAWLESSNESS you say???

Leah Litman (@leahlitman.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T20:52:54.781Z

BREAKING: SCOTUS over liberals' dissent, blocks district court order requiring process before carrying out third country removals. SCOTUS's order allows Trump admin to carry out third country removals without the protections required—notice and opportunity to raise a challenge. No reason is given.

Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T20:39:10.597Z
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BREAKING: SCOTUS clears the way for the Trump administration to remove migrants to third countries (Original Post) In It to Win It Jun 2025 OP
Start with this one... progressoid Jun 2025 #1
What's with the clenched fists? canetoad Jun 2025 #47
I cant believe this!! SCOTUS are complicit. IcyPeas Jun 2025 #2
In word, YES. That is unless you are a white male GOP. Jit423 Jun 2025 #4
BELIEVE it. They have BEEN complicit B.See Jun 2025 #15
These authoritarian shitbags shit on the Constitution daily. Initech Jun 2025 #45
So called Christian judges approved this newdeal2 Jun 2025 #3
I laugh when I hear these people talk about Jesus and wear their cross necklace. walkingman Jun 2025 #6
Could it be....... Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #29
Fuck bdamomma Jun 2025 #5
Sick degenerates, the six. Passages Jun 2025 #7
Is this really a surprise? In 2016 the Supreme Court was on the ballot, and we lost that election. Unfortunately lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #8
Americans don't realize how important the Supreme Court is DSandra Jun 2025 #38
It was known in 2016 that the Supreme Court was at stake. However, let's assume the validity of your lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #40
Given how the Supreme Court issues numerous rulings against the people each year... DSandra Jun 2025 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 2025 #9
May they get their own 3rd of 12 trials. Solly Mack Jun 2025 #10
When, not if, we ever get out of this regime the US should become a member of the ICC. in2herbs Jun 2025 #32
I'd be OK with that. Solly Mack Jun 2025 #46
If they will not be the last defense of constitutional rights, The People now must file suit against them in The Hague. ancianita Jun 2025 #52
I would love for a criminal president to finally be held accountable. Solly Mack Jun 2025 #53
THE big problem: the U.S. has never been a signatory to either the Rome Statute or the I.C.C., both under the ancianita Jun 2025 #54
full thread........... Takket Jun 2025 #11
So in other words ... Mossfern Jun 2025 #12
If there is no due process needed... Ummm JCMach1 Jun 2025 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Mossfern Jun 2025 #33
"Are we now all in danger of being disappeared?" B.See Jun 2025 #20
Impeach. Remove. jeffreyi Jun 2025 #14
I don't understand how they can decide this is ok ??? liberalla Jun 2025 #16
The same way that they can decide that the President cannot commit a crime while in office. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2025 #51
At a minimum, this constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. It's barbarism. SunSeeker Jun 2025 #17
The courts did not "hold" as some said they would, now direct resistance is what remains 0rganism Jun 2025 #18
Those fucking fucking assholes Wild blueberry Jun 2025 #19
If this.... Abstractartist Jun 2025 #21
Disgusting. That's what three picks can do. More to come? We will never get it back. Hope I'm wrong. n/t Evolve Dammit Jun 2025 #22
They are clearly All In with the transformation of the US into a totalitarian dictatorship yliza Jun 2025 #23
Time for States to rise up against this, in order to preserve the freedoms of their citizens and residents.... AntiFascist Jun 2025 #24
This is evil and a mark on our country Dr. Shepper Jun 2025 #25
The Court has followed the administration in its descent into lawlessness. TomSlick Jun 2025 #26
The line couldn't be brighter and they crossed it nuxvomica Jun 2025 #27
More reason for the world to boycott America! And Americans with an ounce of compassion will close their wallets OrlandoDem2 Jun 2025 #28
The SC is such fucking trash. IF you're going to indiscriminately deport people, the LEAST you can do is send them to Karasu Jun 2025 #30
On May 23rd the group Anonymous posted an announcement about a release of information in 30 days that in2herbs Jun 2025 #31
Wouldn't 30 days from May 23rd be June 22 (yesterday)? pcdb Jun 2025 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author in2herbs Jun 2025 #36
Went back and re-listened to Anonymous announcement. I had the date of their announcement correct (May 23) in2herbs Jun 2025 #44
It is time for France to take back the Statue of Liberty Bluestocking Jun 2025 #34
Wait a minute! Does this mean sending people to prison without due process? Ohioboy Jun 2025 #37
Apparently its for convicted criminals only, not ANYONE Callie1979 Jun 2025 #39
If they're convicted Mossfern Jun 2025 #41
Well, if you're here illegally & you get convicted you're not going to get much sympathy Callie1979 Jun 2025 #49
Conservatives are vile people Johonny Jun 2025 #42
But... but, but....her emails. GoodRaisin Jun 2025 #48
Our best hope to overturn this is a massive Congressional win in 2026 and a law enacted to negate it. Vinca Jun 2025 #50
Maybe Vlad will pay Bettie Jun 2025 #55

canetoad

(20,736 posts)
47. What's with the clenched fists?
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 01:00 AM
Jun 2025

Trying to avoid the temptation to punch Malaria in the face?

Initech

(108,648 posts)
45. These authoritarian shitbags shit on the Constitution daily.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:14 AM
Jun 2025

If we ever get out of this, we need to make the Nuremberg trials look like a practice run.

walkingman

(10,790 posts)
6. I laugh when I hear these people talk about Jesus and wear their cross necklace.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 05:49 PM
Jun 2025

Nothing new about that.....

bdamomma

(69,508 posts)
5. Fuck
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 05:33 PM
Jun 2025

the SC, what no due process. We are living in anarchy societal decline. Get that fucking felon and Miller. NOW!!!!!!

lostincalifornia

(5,320 posts)
8. Is this really a surprise? In 2016 the Supreme Court was on the ballot, and we lost that election. Unfortunately
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 05:59 PM
Jun 2025

2024 sealed it for the foreseeable future, because we lost both Houses in Congress, and any justice who steps down by retirement or for other reasons in the next 2 years will unfortunately be replaced by someone even more extreme.

VP Harris warned us what the stakes were.

DSandra

(1,719 posts)
38. Americans don't realize how important the Supreme Court is
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 08:46 PM
Jun 2025

I blame the lack of teaching civics in school, I learned civics but I went to a good school. It should be mandatory teaching in every school.

lostincalifornia

(5,320 posts)
40. It was known in 2016 that the Supreme Court was at stake. However, let's assume the validity of your
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 08:54 PM
Jun 2025

suggestion that people don't realize the importance of the Supreme Court.

In 2016 after Roe was overturned, Citizens United happened that corporations are people, etc. when 2024 happened, for me there would be no excuse that people didn't realize the importance of the Supreme Court.

The odds are that the Supreme Court is now lost for decades.


DSandra

(1,719 posts)
43. Given how the Supreme Court issues numerous rulings against the people each year...
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 11:12 PM
Jun 2025

That is a terrible predicament. Now they are pretty much supporting the dictatorship.

Response to In It to Win It (Original post)

Solly Mack

(96,898 posts)
10. May they get their own 3rd of 12 trials.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:05 PM
Jun 2025

The 3rd trial of the Subsequent Nuremberg Trials was against judges and lawyers, to include the 9 members of the Reich Ministry of Justice.

Just saying - there's precedent.

ancianita

(43,302 posts)
52. If they will not be the last defense of constitutional rights, The People now must file suit against them in The Hague.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:16 PM
Jun 2025

The US does not recognize the I.C.C., but when "disappearances" of citizens without justice from its highest court suffer the violation of their human rights, so the Hague can still rule on the SCOTUS' ruling under international law.

Solly Mack

(96,898 posts)
53. I would love for a criminal president to finally be held accountable.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 01:49 PM
Jun 2025

Because there comes a point when the lack of accountability becomes complicity.

ancianita

(43,302 posts)
54. THE big problem: the U.S. has never been a signatory to either the Rome Statute or the I.C.C., both under the
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 02:11 PM
Jun 2025

umbrella of The Hague, both of which the U.S. signed onto but did not ratify through the Senate, thanks to Bush, of course.

But beyond the federal government, it might be possible that several AG's of US states could, evidenced by measurable harm to millions with no legal recourse, ask the Hague (because they don't have standing)
to refer to a Hague Prosecutor to investigate actions of the president, related rulings of SCOTUS, or both.
I could be mistaken but I think that this was what Jack Smith did at the Hague.

Hope for a trifecta election where we finally have a majority in the Senate who'll ratify our being a signatory to The Hague and I.C.C.
We should not have to convince our own party that the American people deserve this level of justice, since they've suffered at home for not having it.

Takket

(23,696 posts)
11. full thread...........
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:05 PM
Jun 2025


This link will bring you to the full thread by Aaron Reichlin-Melnick referenced in the OP........

https://skywriter.blue/pages/did:plc:2vtbmhmrwzbqcfv4we4uxzzt/post/3lscgpkfpks2e

In addition to the obvious human rights disaster this is, the consequences to the rule of law is also catastrophic. The lower courts looked at the obvious malice and lawlessness on what drumpf was doing and issued scathing rulings, to the point of nearly arresting people for contempt, for their orders being ignored. SCOTUS how now completely and utterly kneecapped the lower courts and their ability to do anything to restrain drumpf. There is little point to either follow the law, or obey any sort of court order and/or stay issued by a lower court when you know SCOTUS will stab the lower court judges in the back in favor of giving drumpf the de facto mandate to rule as a King.

Mossfern

(4,709 posts)
12. So in other words ...
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:07 PM
Jun 2025

It's now "legal" for ICE to grab ANYONE off the street and send them into slavery to another country without due process?

Does that mean that they can say that ANYONE can be 'declared' an illegal alien even if they were born in this country to American citizens because they look like they could be an undocumented immigrant?

Are we now all in danger of being disappeared?

Please explain how I am wrong.
Please?

Response to JCMach1 (Reply #13)

B.See

(8,365 posts)
20. "Are we now all in danger of being disappeared?"
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:45 PM
Jun 2025

for the umpteenth time, YES, YES, and YES.

We are ALL in danger of being abducted / kidnapped, in the dead of night, or in broad daylight,

by an unknown, unidentified, GESTAPO, on NO grounds whatsoever (other than what they may or may NOT say)

and VANISHED, without warrant, due process, explanation, or accountability.

i.e. welcome to Nazi Germany.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,926 posts)
51. The same way that they can decide that the President cannot commit a crime while in office.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:50 AM
Jun 2025

0rganism

(25,619 posts)
18. The courts did not "hold" as some said they would, now direct resistance is what remains
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:42 PM
Jun 2025

Under no circumstances can anyone allow themselves to be transported anywhere by these "ICE" thugs, nor can any facility that hosts them be allowed to operate normally. The consequences of letting this play out unopposed amount to complete abdication of every principle for which the founders revolted.

Abstractartist

(445 posts)
21. If this....
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:46 PM
Jun 2025

If this does not cause every elected democrat to push and align themselves with the Democratic Party and independent voters, this party needs to just shut its doors and sell off the office furniture.

So now we see , the additional Supreme Court justices many were calling for and never happened was a huge mistake…..

Evolve Dammit

(21,755 posts)
22. Disgusting. That's what three picks can do. More to come? We will never get it back. Hope I'm wrong. n/t
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:51 PM
Jun 2025

yliza

(207 posts)
23. They are clearly All In with the transformation of the US into a totalitarian dictatorship
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:58 PM
Jun 2025

I expected as much from Thomas and Alito, but I thought Roberts cared about his legacy. Apparently not.

AntiFascist

(13,751 posts)
24. Time for States to rise up against this, in order to preserve the freedoms of their citizens and residents....
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:05 PM
Jun 2025

there appears to no longer be Constitutional checks and balances over this Christian Nationalist monarchy.

TomSlick

(12,992 posts)
26. The Court has followed the administration in its descent into lawlessness.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:16 PM
Jun 2025

I have lost my remaining hope in SCOTUS. There must be some bottom to how low they will stoop but we are yet to find it.

nuxvomica

(14,075 posts)
27. The line couldn't be brighter and they crossed it
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:18 PM
Jun 2025

You would expect any reasonable constitution-loving American to defer to due process and they failed to so what does that say about them? Also, enough of this horseshit about the president's supremacy in foreign policy because these incidents are not occurring on foreign soil so they are not foreign policy and that should be obvious.

OrlandoDem2

(3,234 posts)
28. More reason for the world to boycott America! And Americans with an ounce of compassion will close their wallets
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:32 PM
Jun 2025

Nothing good can come from supporting the Trump junta that has taken over.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
30. The SC is such fucking trash. IF you're going to indiscriminately deport people, the LEAST you can do is send them to
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:34 PM
Jun 2025

their homelands. Not to fucking war zones or mega-prisons in motherfucking El Salvador.

There is no defense for this.

So much for all the bullshit about "sending them back." You're not sending them back, you're just sending them AWAY...to live and die in some of the worst fucking places on Earth for no fucking reason.

in2herbs

(4,380 posts)
31. On May 23rd the group Anonymous posted an announcement about a release of information in 30 days that
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:40 PM
Jun 2025

Last edited Mon Jun 23, 2025, 08:10 PM - Edit history (1)

will be catastrophic to some. That 30-days is up Monday, June 30th. My wish is that whatever they are going to release will contain info on these USSC judges, notwithstanding R members of Congress.

Will their information be about international child trafficking? Do they have a copy of the Epstein files?? Or, will their information wither in the vine?

30 days = June22

Response to pcdb (Reply #35)

in2herbs

(4,380 posts)
44. Went back and re-listened to Anonymous announcement. I had the date of their announcement correct (May 23)
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:04 AM
Jun 2025

but it is 38 days not 30, which puts it on June 30, 2025 as I stated.

Sorry for the confusion.

Bluestocking

(653 posts)
34. It is time for France to take back the Statue of Liberty
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:54 PM
Jun 2025

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

It no longer applies to the USA

Mossfern

(4,709 posts)
41. If they're convicted
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 08:55 PM
Jun 2025

then they already had due process?
Did they serve out their time? If so, why persecute them.
What type of convictions?
Does marijuana possession count the same as murder?

I have so many questions!

Callie1979

(1,345 posts)
49. Well, if you're here illegally & you get convicted you're not going to get much sympathy
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 06:22 AM
Jun 2025

We'd better understand that moving forward. We're terrible at messaging.

Johonny

(26,100 posts)
42. Conservatives are vile people
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 09:20 PM
Jun 2025

That have nothing to offer but hate, violence, and lawlessness. Even inside the courts. The country is fucked. It is the voters fault. They allowed the GOP to skate for years on failure. Now they are ready to produce the police state where the poor live in fear.

Vinca

(53,916 posts)
50. Our best hope to overturn this is a massive Congressional win in 2026 and a law enacted to negate it.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 07:25 AM
Jun 2025

In the meantime, people are being sent to places likely to abuse and neglect or outright kill them. This is pretty far out there as decisions go, even for this SCOTUS.

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