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gab13by13

(28,641 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:34 PM Jun 23

Krasnov Fucked Up

Krasnov's one big economic policy is to devalue the dollar and strengthen crypto. Krasnov has made 3 billion dollars from crypto so far in his 2nd reign.

The bombing of Iran has jettisoned the price of oil and it has strengthened the dollar. Krasnov is actually pleading to keep oil prices low, pleading to drill baby drill, pleading with OPEC to release more oil.

The rising cost of diesel fuel means the rising cost of goods, means higher inflation, means that Jerome Powell will not lower interest rates which would, you guessed it, weaken the dollar.

Krasnov's economic plan is solely about strengthening crypto.

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Krasnov Fucked Up (Original Post) gab13by13 Jun 23 OP
How long before we're drilling on all the public lands they're selling? ananda Jun 23 #1
There is no reason to drill progressoid Jun 23 #7
I don't think that matters to Trump. ananda Jun 23 #8
The current oil boom started w Obama IbogaProject Jun 23 #22
Yep. There was endless bullshit right wing propaganda about the US losing energy indepence under Biden progressoid Jun 23 #27
Sadly, there is more coal in those areas than oil... Wounded Bear Jun 23 #17
That makes sense. Crypto. ananda Jun 23 #31
He is busy choosing prime building spots pwb Jun 23 #2
Or prime building spots in National Forests. emulatorloo Jun 24 #35
Kraznov does not want cheap oil, and if he did, the US petrolum companies do not want cheap oil .... marble falls Jun 23 #3
Krasnov does want cheap oil, gab13by13 Jun 23 #14
No. He wants to be seen as wanting cheap energy because that is what he and his noncritically thinking supporters want . marble falls Jun 23 #24
Exactly. It's actually pretty simple.... Ol Janx Spirit Jun 24 #36
Thank you for saying it clearer than I did! marble falls Jun 24 #37
You said it really well! I was just hoping to add to that thought... Ol Janx Spirit Jun 24 #40
Seriously, I wished I'd have penned both of your posts. marble falls Jun 24 #42
Refinement is the bottleneck they utilize misanthrope Jun 23 #28
They create their own bottlenecks by 'maintenence' on four or five refineries at a time and raise prices over headlines. marble falls Jun 23 #32
In other news: Water Is Wet. rsdsharp Jun 23 #4
Money launderingrus orangecrush Jun 23 #5
Then he'll intentionally cause a recession to lower demand for oil and goods IronLionZion Jun 23 #6
Yes, and crypto is the biggest ripoff ever Nigrum Cattus Jun 23 #9
Agree. I'm horrified this administration is anywhere near the Treasury with his crypto crap. Book txwhitedove Jun 23 #20
In the 1980's I watched "Private Schulz" on PBS Wednesdays Jun 23 #26
When... haryn Jun 23 #10
As noted upthread BumRushDaShow Jun 23 #11
Yes this has been their plan all along FakeNoose Jun 23 #13
You are looking at this for what benefits the fossil fuel industry. gab13by13 Jun 23 #15
Wrong Hornedfrog2000 Jun 23 #18
Well we have been hearing about "peak oil" for a long time BumRushDaShow Jun 23 #16
We are crossing the peak IbogaProject Jun 23 #23
I ran into an article the past week BumRushDaShow Jun 23 #25
We were bamboozled by the oil companies into tolerating frack oil as a necessary evil ... marble falls Jun 24 #38
"this showed that while the easy was mostly gone there were huge deposits untouched." BumRushDaShow Jun 24 #39
Isn't it amazing how effectively big oil flipped that image of easy oil to no oil and then become the biggest oil ... marble falls Jun 24 #41
They realized BumRushDaShow Jun 24 #43
With a healthy dose of 'image is everything'. marble falls Jun 24 #44
Absolutely Blue Full Moon Jun 23 #12
I also think he'll be sorry he chose to side with Bibi instead of putin... in regards to Iran. liberalla Jun 23 #19
Kabuki theatre, easily could be prearranged lostnfound Jun 24 #34
Crypto, gypto, klepto. oasis Jun 23 #21
He wants to replace the dollar with crypto. Pretty obvious but not (as usual) well thought out. n/t Evolve Dammit Jun 23 #29
That is why he is declaring there is a cease fire Bev54 Jun 23 #30
Back in the Neo-Anthropo-Sane Epoch... BurnDoubt Jun 24 #33
Crypto gfarber Jun 24 #45

ananda

(32,431 posts)
8. I don't think that matters to Trump.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 01:52 PM
Jun 23

His mind is too fried, and his interests are simple.

Take control of all the land, and let his cronies get richer.

IbogaProject

(4,576 posts)
22. The current oil boom started w Obama
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 03:37 PM
Jun 23

The GOP are too chaotic wheras we pursue an "all sources" energy policy. The markets respond to gradual shifts in incentives. Carter had us on track to need zero fuel imports by 2000 using 1970s tech. But our messaging hasn't reflected our policy strengths.

progressoid

(51,541 posts)
27. Yep. There was endless bullshit right wing propaganda about the US losing energy indepence under Biden
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 05:14 PM
Jun 23

When in fact the opposite was true.

Wounded Bear

(62,340 posts)
17. Sadly, there is more coal in those areas than oil...
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 02:44 PM
Jun 23

Why do you think he was trying to boost coal production as well?

ananda

(32,431 posts)
31. That makes sense. Crypto.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 08:08 PM
Jun 23

Same reason.

I think he'll want the profiteers to invest in crypto.

pwb

(12,297 posts)
2. He is busy choosing prime building spots
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:47 PM
Jun 23

in Israel. People may want hybrid or electric cars even more now. Yeah he fucked up.

marble falls

(66,658 posts)
3. Kraznov does not want cheap oil, and if he did, the US petrolum companies do not want cheap oil ....
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:59 PM
Jun 23

When oil is cheap, they buy foreign oil, when it's expensive they sell US oil. The BIG money is in refinement, not production. a good thing if you own the largest reserves, and produce more oil than anybody else by a huge margin and refineries out the ying yang.

Prices go up with "instability" and speculators who concentrate on "crisis" futures investment.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2024/07/05/us-oil-production-extends-massive-lead-over-russia-and-saudi-arabia/

U.S. Oil Production Extends Massive Lead Over Russia And Saudi Arabia

ByRobert Rapier,

Senior Contributor.
Robert Rapier is a chemical engineer covering the energy sector.
Jul 05, 2024, 04:03pm EDTJul 06, 2024, 01:44pm EDT


https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545

In-brief analysis
March 11, 2024
United States produces more crude oil than any country, ever

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2024.03.11/main.svg

The United States produced more crude oil than any nation at any time, according to our International Energy Statistics, for the past six years in a row. Crude oil production in the United States, including condensate, averaged 12.9 million barrels per day (b/d) in 2023, breaking the previous U.S. and global record of 12.3 million b/d, set in 2019. Average monthly U.S. crude oil production established a monthly record high in December 2023 at more than 13.3 million b/d.

The crude oil production record in the United States in 2023 is unlikely to be broken in any other country in the near term because no other country has reached production capacity of 13.0 million b/d. Saudi Arabia’s state-owned Saudi Aramco recently scrapped plans to increase production capacity to 13.0 million b/d by 2027.

Together, the United States, Russia, and Saudi Arabia accounted for 40% (32.8 million b/d) of global oil production in 2023. These three countries have produced more oil than any others since 1971 (counting production in the Russian Federation of the Soviet Union prior to 1991), although the top spot has shifted among them over the past five decades. By comparison, the next three largest producing countries—Canada, Iraq, and China—combined produced 13.1 million b/d in 2023, only slightly more than what was produced in the United States alone.


https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2024.03.11/chart2.svg

gab13by13

(28,641 posts)
14. Krasnov does want cheap oil,
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 02:10 PM
Jun 23

cheap oil weakens the dollar and strengthens crypto. Costly oil strengthens the dollar.

Krasnov wants whatever benefits himself and cheap oil benefits him. Jerome Powell lowering interest rates would benefit him. His tariffs benefit him.

Weak dollar = strong crypto.

marble falls

(66,658 posts)
24. No. He wants to be seen as wanting cheap energy because that is what he and his noncritically thinking supporters want .
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 03:59 PM
Jun 23

Do you remember the rumor that went around the US until the eighties that there was a 400 mpg carburetor that the oil companies bought the patent and buried it. Sounds plausible until one thinks critically. If there were carburetors that that improved miles per gallon by 10 times, Big Oil would try to give one to everybody and raise the price per gallon by a factor of 11.

The oil companies are not known for giving the public any breaks at all, ever. If prices are high they pump oil, if prices are low they buy someone else's oil and bump prices up. The barrel price in Texas determines if the grasshoppers are working or at rest. They only work after a certain price per barrel goes over a certain bench mark price, it's been $40/barrel and been as high as $80/barrel.

Why in the world would the richest industry cut prices lower than they can gouge?

Ol Janx Spirit

(288 posts)
36. Exactly. It's actually pretty simple....
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 08:48 AM
Jun 24

The goal of a company in a capitalist system is not to deliver the most product possible at the lowest possible price--that is the goal of a government. A company wants to provide the least product possible at the highest possible price.

Quickly depleting your inventory and wearing out your equipment makes no sense unless your competition is forcing you to do so. And when your industry is controlled by a few powerful cartels, competition is not nearly as big of a factor as it would be in many other industries.

Ol Janx Spirit

(288 posts)
40. You said it really well! I was just hoping to add to that thought...
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:57 AM
Jun 24

I'm fascinated by the idea that so many people seem to hold that the government should be run like a business when they actually have the opposite objective.

Just as in this case, the only effective way to keep oil prices low would be to circumvent the capitalist process and put all of the oil under the control of a governmental system that could deliver it at wholesale cost to the public. With big-business at the controls you get what the market will allow....

Two-thousand years ago, the Roman empire did something like this with grain under the Cura Annonae system. It is interesting to think about the fact that the pursuit of energy from the sun--whether in the form of plants from which we get food and make fire; animals which we consume or put to work for us; or the remains of the plants and animals that turned into fossil fuel over millions of years--is the largest driving factor of all of human existence. So much so that we are well on our way to destroying the very planet that has allowed us the ability to harvest this power source.

marble falls

(66,658 posts)
32. They create their own bottlenecks by 'maintenence' on four or five refineries at a time and raise prices over headlines.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 10:09 PM
Jun 23

IronLionZion

(49,328 posts)
6. Then he'll intentionally cause a recession to lower demand for oil and goods
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 01:44 PM
Jun 23

Cut all social programs including SS and Medicare, forcing down wages.

Nigrum Cattus

(697 posts)
9. Yes, and crypto is the biggest ripoff ever
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 01:54 PM
Jun 23

It's all just a bunch of really big prime numbers.
Zero real value
You give me real money and I give you a worthless number !

txwhitedove

(4,129 posts)
20. Agree. I'm horrified this administration is anywhere near the Treasury with his crypto crap. Book
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 03:15 PM
Jun 23

I am reading now is Wise Gals by Nathalia Holt, about the women working intelligence in OSS during WW2, which then morphed into CIA. Many historical references and issues have lept off the page:

Nazis were printing mass quantities of counterfeit money. "the Nazis were hoping to induce havoc. Their plan: flooding American and English markets with convincing-looking fake dollars and pounds, thereby plunging the economies of both Allied nations into chaos and tanking their currencies."

Crypto

Wednesdays

(20,571 posts)
26. In the 1980's I watched "Private Schulz" on PBS
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 05:05 PM
Jun 23

It was a miniseries that depicted just what you're talking about, where the Nazis were promising full pardons to convicted counterfeiters in exchange for their help with "Project Bernhard," the scheme to flood Britain with forged currency in order to damage their economy. I couldn't watch it through to its conclusion, but I remember the scene where the counterfeiters were pointing out how difficult the task would be, because of the rarity of the ink and paper used in producing British paper currency.

haryn

(21 posts)
10. When...
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 01:57 PM
Jun 23

..has he EVER NOT fucked up? The difference now is that the consequences don't just send him into bankruptcies, and law suits, but threaten the entire country/world as we know them.

BumRushDaShow

(155,599 posts)
11. As noted upthread
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 01:59 PM
Jun 23

If the oil price is "too low" it will basically put the U.S. frackers out of business due to their new well "breakeven" costs.



(from here - https://www.hartenergy.com/exclusives/us-shale-basins-boast-54bbl-average-breakeven-price-204563)

FakeNoose

(37,674 posts)
13. Yes this has been their plan all along
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 02:10 PM
Jun 23

They have to keep the price of oil high enough to cover the costs of fracking. Even back in the 1970's and 80s when the OPEC nations seemed to be calling the shots. They were playing the long-game just as the US oil companies wanted them to. OPEC increased the price of oil & gasoline to American consumers and they became the "bad guys" for doing so. So the oil companies had always held off on fracking until the price of oil was high enough to support the investments.

The longest game of all is to use up the Mideast oil supplies until they run out altogether. THEN who's in the catbird seat? Why the American oil companies, who will charge any price they want. Henry Kissinger helped put this plan together over 50 years ago.

gab13by13

(28,641 posts)
15. You are looking at this for what benefits the fossil fuel industry.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 02:13 PM
Jun 23

I am looking at this for what benefits Krasnov.

Krasnov could care less if frackers went bankrupt.

Hornedfrog2000

(316 posts)
18. Wrong
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 02:49 PM
Jun 23

He does have to keep other billionaire, oligarchs happy, to an extent. He may try to play them like Elon, but I am guessing he sold Elon on something so that is why he is behaving for now.

BumRushDaShow

(155,599 posts)
16. Well we have been hearing about "peak oil" for a long time
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 02:42 PM
Jun 23

and that seemed to have faded away as they keep uncovering more and more.

I think the sooner we move away from it, the better!

IbogaProject

(4,576 posts)
23. We are crossing the peak
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 03:47 PM
Jun 23

A recent analysis forecasts we may be hitting peak oil production in either 2024 or 2025. Production may plateu for a few years but demand is shifting away rapidly. So having oil to sell will slowly become less valuable. Unfortunately there will be numerous armed conflicts to stifle the suppies worldwide as demand slowly declines. Energy effeciency, solar, batteries, next-gen nuclear plus slowing growth will all put pressure on fossil energy firms.

BumRushDaShow

(155,599 posts)
25. I ran into an article the past week
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 04:01 PM
Jun 23

that mentioned French Guiana (in reference to the oil boom and maneuvering with Guyana) - Have Oil Majors Given Up On French Guiana?

This was related to the finds in the area, currently being exploited by Guyana - A tiny rainforest country is growing into a petrostate. A US oil company could reap the biggest rewards

Of course putting all that out there will depress the prices and with any decrease in demand, it won't be worth pulling and thus it all won't be "used up" any time soon.

marble falls

(66,658 posts)
38. We were bamboozled by the oil companies into tolerating frack oil as a necessary evil ...
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:41 AM
Jun 24

... Right in the middle of "we running out of petroleum" and juuuuust before fracking, I met a woman from an old line oil family and the name just escapes me, she ran against Reagan for the GOP nomination for President and made it to the convention and took two or thress Texas delegation votes in the first round. She has this huge map of Texas on her wall that located all known oil deposits, tapped and tapped. The one thing that caught my eye was that this showed that while the easy was mostly gone there were huge deposits untouched.

And I think this allowed to oil companies to get us used to gas prices getting bumped outside of traditional market pressures, supply vs demand. And to get us to accept the dangers of fracking as a necessity.

The egg producers just did the same thing. The whole time that there was a shortage of eggs, you could by as many as you wanted, when if there was a true long term shortage, there would have been rationing.

marble falls

(66,658 posts)
41. Isn't it amazing how effectively big oil flipped that image of easy oil to no oil and then become the biggest oil ...
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 10:10 AM
Jun 24

... producer on the planet these last six years? Producing a record 13 million Barrels per day. No one has done that much, ever.

And how they used the so called shortage of future oil production to get into wind energy, solar, etc and transform the selves in "Energy" companies. And worse, conned the governmet to subsidised big oil $2 Billion a year "to find unknown new sources of petroleum". Makes them the biggest source of waste that DOGE could have axed, also makes them the biggest "welfare queen" in the nation.

BumRushDaShow

(155,599 posts)
43. They realized
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 10:22 AM
Jun 24

they could "greenwash" what they were doing and feed from the trough TWICE.

But what is happening is that the "green" is being gutted (as the GOP goes through the Inflation Reduction Act that has all those energy incentives and subsidies in there), and with OPEC+ suddenly increasing their production again, they can run all the frackers out of business here real fast.

We saw the damage, albeit "temporary" when Saudi and Russia got into a production war!

I keep this image handy (April 20, 2023)-


liberalla

(10,585 posts)
19. I also think he'll be sorry he chose to side with Bibi instead of putin... in regards to Iran.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 03:07 PM
Jun 23

Putin did NOT want Iran bombed. He's possibly the one who gave Iran advance notice...

Krasnov Is forgetting his biggest obligation!

lostnfound

(17,044 posts)
34. Kabuki theatre, easily could be prearranged
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:31 AM
Jun 24

putin is a strategic thinker. US bombing Iran with enough time for Iran to move whatever it wanted to move, drives internal politics in direction of hardliners and anti-American sentiment.
Trump cares not a whit about “U.S.”. They all care about money and power.. Iran pulls closer to russia and it gives excuses for everyone to take actions they wanted to take. They all make money through advance knowledge of oil market shocks.
I suspect we are seeing kabuki theatre. I don’t believe trump takes foreign policy actions that are against what putin wants.

Total distraction from budget bill about to pass. Netanyahu stirs up hardliners, Europe driven further from US alliance. They all make money through advance knowledge of oil market shocks.

Evolve Dammit

(20,929 posts)
29. He wants to replace the dollar with crypto. Pretty obvious but not (as usual) well thought out. n/t
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:11 PM
Jun 23

BurnDoubt

(741 posts)
33. Back in the Neo-Anthropo-Sane Epoch...
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 01:43 AM
Jun 24

there was a saying from a carving in the wall: "Bad Money Drives Out Good".
That was before the internet, when Wisdom was Great.
Klepto Is A Hoax. Klepto-Maniacs are Hucksters.

gfarber

(38 posts)
45. Crypto
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 11:11 AM
Jun 24

Trump dreamed of a crypto-rich land,
With dollars devalued on hand.
But bombs made oil soar,
Now gas costs much more—
And Powell won’t follow his plan.

Trump vowed, “Let the dollar decline!
Crypto’s the future—it's mine!”
Then he bombed Iran’s shore,
Made oil prices soar,
Now he’s begging OPEC to align.

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