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In It to Win It

(10,903 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 09:51 AM Jun 23

Judge orders Abrego Garcia's release, but government expected to detain him

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported by the Trump administration to El Salvador then returned to the U.S. amid a legal battle, was ordered released from jail on Sunday by a Tennessee judge while he awaits federal trial.

The government, however, is expected to quickly detain him upon his release, which U.S. Magistrate Judge Barbara Holmes scheduled a Wednesday hearing to discuss.

The Justice Department has filed a motion to appeal the judge’s release order.

At a detention hearing on June 13, prosecutors said U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) would take Abrego Garcia into custody if he were released on the criminal charges, and he could be deported before he has a chance to stand trial.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-orders-abrego-garcia-release-002757065.html
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Judge orders Abrego Garcia's release, but government expected to detain him (Original Post) In It to Win It Jun 23 OP
Kafkaesque stuff Prairie Gates Jun 23 #1
You are talking about Abbott Blue Full Moon Jun 23 #6
Uh, what? Prairie Gates Jun 23 #8
Texas governor Abbott human trafficking immigrants from Texas to the North. Blue Full Moon Jun 23 #9
The Laken Riley act probably allows them to detain him for being charged with a crime Renew Deal Jun 23 #2
They can. purple_haze Jun 23 #3
If they do, doesnt that mean that he simply wont stand trial for the crimes theyve charged him with? Volaris Jun 23 #5
Well purple_haze Jun 23 #10
JFC underpants Jun 23 #4
Trumped up charges. Blue Full Moon Jun 23 #7
Deadline: Legal Blog-Judge stresses due process while rejecting bid to detain Kilmar Abrego Garcia pending trial LetMyPeopleVote Jun 23 #11
Deadline: Legal Blog-The Trump administration's MS-13 case against Kilmar Abrego Garcia crumbled in court LetMyPeopleVote Jun 23 #12
They don't give a shit what judges say. spanone Jun 23 #13

Prairie Gates

(5,481 posts)
1. Kafkaesque stuff
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 09:56 AM
Jun 23

He's a dangerous human trafficker who must be kept in custody at all costs. If he is ordered released, we will take him into custody and deport him, whereupon he may simply be released into his country of origin. Or, he may be held once again in the El Salvadoran prison that we were ordered to return him from, whereupon we charged him with these very dangerous offenses for which he's now being ordered to be released, whereupon we'll surely take him into custody and deport him, perhaps to the El Salvadoran prison from which we were ordered to return him, whereupon we charged him with these extremely dangerous offenses.

Renew Deal

(84,195 posts)
2. The Laken Riley act probably allows them to detain him for being charged with a crime
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 09:59 AM
Jun 23

Not sure if they can deport him or not.

Volaris

(10,923 posts)
5. If they do, doesnt that mean that he simply wont stand trial for the crimes theyve charged him with?
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:07 PM
Jun 23

How is THAT in the states best interest?
Because then, the bullshit charges they've filed will never get called bullshit by an actual court.

The problem is, the court already told these idiots that he CANNOT be deported without appropriate Due Process (which is why hes back here in the first place)

..being charged with these crimes is solely because Bondi is mad that the court dared to give orders to Dear Leader...have I got this about right?

purple_haze

(285 posts)
10. Well
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 01:16 PM
Jun 23

it can go two ways. If he is present in violation of immigration law, he can be deported for that today.

OR

Immigration agencies can issue a detainer and then put him through the federal or state court system. If he is sentenced for any alleged crimes, he will serve that sentence. When the sentence is served, his immigration detainer will be what he is then deported under.

LetMyPeopleVote

(165,576 posts)
11. Deadline: Legal Blog-Judge stresses due process while rejecting bid to detain Kilmar Abrego Garcia pending trial
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 02:52 PM
Jun 23

The judge noted that her ruling could be seen as an "academic exercise" if Abrego Garcia just winds up held in immigration custody, anyway.

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MSNBC - Deadline: Legal Blog - Judge stresses due process while rejecting bid to detain Kilmar Abrego Garcia pending trial

The judge noted that her ruling could be seen as an "academic exercise" if Abrego Garcia just winds up held in immigration custody, anyway.

Lola Gayle (@lolagaylec.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T12:15:40.055Z



https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/kilmar-abrego-garcia-judge-orders-release-detention-trump-rcna212833

A federal judge on Sunday rejected the Justice Department's bid to detain Kilmar Abrego Garcia pending his federal criminal trial in Tennessee, citing the importance of due process while noting that he could still separately be held by immigration authorities.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Barbara Holmes began her 51-page ruling by observing that the only thing the government and Abrego Garcia might agree on is the likelihood that he will stay in custody regardless of her detention ruling, given the government's intention to separately detain him in U.S. immigration custody. While that could make her ruling an “academic exercise,” Holmes stressed that she needed to give the defendant “the due process that he is guaranteed.”

A judge saying that she is going to enforce the Constitution might have been an obvious statement hardly worth writing before President Donald Trump’s second inauguration. But today it calls to mind the administration’s failure to provide that baseline guarantee in multiple cases, perhaps none more infamous than Abrego Garcia’s.

So, regardless of the outcome of this criminal case and any subsequent deportation efforts by the government, it’s remarkable that merely mentioning the necessity of due process stands as a rebuke against the administration that fought to avoid providing it in this case and is still fighting to avoid providing it in others.....

In her ruling on Sunday, Holmes said the government failed to make its case that Abrego Garcia is enough of a flight risk or danger to the community to warrant holding him ahead of trial. She said that she would set a hearing for Wednesday to review the conditions of his release.

But the DOJ quickly filed a motion to a U.S. District Court judge in Tennessee on Sunday, arguing that Holmes’ impending release order should be halted. The motion notes that Abrego Garcia “has an immigration detainer lodged against him by the Department of Homeland Security,” adding that “he will remain in custody pending deportation and Judge Holmes’ release order would not immediately release him to the community under any circumstance.”

The success of that government motion and any further appeal on the detention issue in the coming days could derail Abrego Garcia’s release in the criminal case, regardless of any separate immigration detention.

LetMyPeopleVote

(165,576 posts)
12. Deadline: Legal Blog-The Trump administration's MS-13 case against Kilmar Abrego Garcia crumbled in court
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 06:41 PM
Jun 23

A federal judge rejected the government’s claim of Abrego’s gang membership while denying the broader effort to detain him pretrial.



https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/kilmar-abrego-garcia-ms-13-trump-administration-rcna214530

Before the Trump administration finally returned Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the U.S. this month, officials kept claiming he belonged to the deadly MS-13 gang. Even if true, that wouldn’t have been a valid reason for the government to avoid compliance with a court order for his return after illegally sending him to El Salvador in March.

But in any event, it shouldn’t escape notice that a federal judge just picked apart the gang claim that the Justice Department has continued to push since his return.

That picking-apart came in Sunday’s ruling that rejected the DOJ’s bid to detain Abrego ahead of trial on criminal charges the government had waiting for him upon his return. He pleaded not guilty to allegations of illegally transporting undocumented immigrants. (U.S. Magistrate Judge Barbara Holmes’ opinion Sunday noted that his preferred surname is “Abrego,” after he has been consistently referred to in court documents and reports as “Abrego Garcia.”)

Abrego’s criminal charges don’t hinge on whether he’s a gang member. But the issue arose in Holmes’ detention ruling because the government argued that his alleged gang membership supported his detention. “The Government’s investigation has revealed that the defendant has a long history and association with MS-13,” prosecutors wrote ahead of a June 13 hearing.

But in her ruling following the hearing, Holmes said the government’s evidence of Abrego’s MS-13 membership “consists of general statements, all double hearsay, from two cooperating witnesses.” She said those statements, in turn, are contradicted by another witness who, the judge wrote, said that “in ten years of acquaintance with Abrego, there were no signs or markings, including tattoos, indicating that Abrego is an MS-13 member.” Given the conflicting evidence, the judge wrote, “the government’s evidence of Abrego’s alleged gang membership is simply insufficient.”

So, after months of the administration insisting on Abrego’s gang membership (again, not that it would excuse failing to return him as required by court order issued in April), there was a clear chance to prove it in court. The government failed to do so......

But the failure to support the MS-13 claim is indicative of an amateurishness that has marked the government’s conduct throughout this sordid affair. If it’s a sign of things to come, it could bode well for Abrego’s legal fight.
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