Democrats who support Netanyahu are a great mystery to me.

[redgreenandblue]

Benjamin Netanyahu thumbed his nose at both Obama and Biden, and made it clear that he supported Trump over Harris. He is no friend of Democrats. Yet, there are liberals who, at the very least, seem to consider him a good-faith actor.

[Walleye]

1. I just saw a little bit of his speech dripping with obsequiousness towards Trump. Disgusting.

[MadameButterfly]

28. He knows how to manipulate Trump

which is why this attack was inevitable. The two men have a lot in common--both clinging to power to avoid jail--but one of them is much smarter than the other.

[Walleye]

51. I'm starting to believe that Bibi is as devoid of morality as Trump is

[The Blue Flower]

52. You think?

It's been obvious for quite a while.

[Walleye]

55. Well, I knew it for sure when I heard how close he was with Jared Kushner

He makes a better speech than Trump, but it’s still the same old shit, macho posturing. .

[AloeVera]

59. And full of self-serving lies. Don't forget that. N/T.

[MadameButterfly]

62. Pretty much the formula for malignant narcissist

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They only care about themselves, can't conceive of, much less concern themselves with other people's needs or POV; they lie, break the law, cheat, steal, and when in power they always get involved in foreign military aggression

[AloeVera]

68. We keep electing and choosing as leaders the pathological amongst us.

A pattern in history. What's the solution for that? About a third of us (as a species) want authoritarians and don't know/care those are the sickest of us and could care less about us.

It srrms to be a baked-in feature for them, as is the apathy of another third. I guess awakening the apathetic non-voters is our best hope.

[MadameButterfly]

70. I've noticed these sociopaths and psychopaths reside mainly in the Republican Party

The pathological tend to seek power and they cheat.
The Republican Party is going too far for their corruption to be ignored, by the end of Trump the party may be over too.

Great things happened in Congress after the Civil War while the slave-holders were powerless. To that era we owe changes in the constitution which have allowed us to improve.

There will always be clueless people; laws must protect us. That's why every infraction of the constitution needs to be prosecuted when this is all over.

[Rebl2]

60. Seems everyone

knows how to manipulate Trump.

[MadameButterfly]

63. Yes, anyone smart enough to be in power, but critically, there's a base of ignorant voters

who Trump knows how to manipulate. Or we wouldn't be in this. mess.

[PatSeg]

50. Yes, clearly he was speaking to one person in particular

Definitely disgusting. Both members of the Dictators Wannabe Club.

[spanone]

66. trmp & netanyahu should both be in prison. Instead they are roiling the world.

[Walleye]

67. There's no justice

[Scrivener7]

2. And they love to swarm anyone who dares to disagree with Israel's current regime.

They are in danger of making the very real problem of antisemitism invisible because they call anyone who dares to disagree with the current slaughter antisemitic.

I'm sure I'll be called antisemitic for saying that.

[MadameButterfly]

27. Ironically, the real anti-semites support Trump

They support Israel when it's acting on the militaristic and genocidal orders of a president who should be in jail, just like our president.
Orders against other people they hate.

[wolfie001]

49. Al Franken included those thoughts in his "Lying Liars" book he published during the GWB years

"The christian lunatics want all the Jews back into Israel so they can all be destroyed". Paraphrasing a bit that that's EXACTLY what his thoughts were and still are. These christian-fascists only want THEIR SALVATION! Fuck everything else. Repulsive snakes. Shitty people. Avoid church and religion. Only a breeding ground for hatred. That's my take on religion.

[AllyCat]

3. Just talked to a friend in Israel who used to hate BiBi

Comment was “this needed to be done”.

I’m stunned.

[Lonestarblue]

7. The same attitude seems to apply to all Palestinians.

They all need to be killed or forced to move to other countries. It needs “to be done” so Israel can take their ancestral lands for their own use, the places they have lived for hundreds and hundreds of years.

[emulatorloo]

14. Pretty sure Allycat's friend was referring to Iran.

Not Gaza. There are lots of Israel’s citizens who think Bibi’s approach to Gaza is wrong.

[AllyCat]

25. Yes.

[msfiddlestix]

37. unfortunately, not enough. same as here

[AllyCat]

26. Interestingly, she was opposed to Bibi's handling of Palestine.

[JT45242]

40. Places they lived for hundreds of years thousands of years ago

The Jewish people were scattered by the Hittites. Persians, Babylonians, Romans, ottomans, etc since shortly after they conquered the lands that previously held people that the Jewish people slaughtered and stole their land.

History has had dozens of groups who owned and lost this area of land.

The difference this time is that powers outside of the Middle East have meddled making conflicting promises to both sides since the start of world war 2. And now a failed real estate developer was elected president and will do Bibi bidding to build trump towers in the land they will steal.

[LymphocyteLover]

11. they live in eternal fear of Iran because of Bibi's constant fear mongering

plus Iran funds their enemies like Hezbollah

[CincyDem]

31. Maybe they live in fear because a soon to be nuclear power chants "death to Israel" daily.

[Magoo48]

38. Soon to be nuclear power? Can you provide a source other than the US and Israeli administrations?

[paleotn]

44. Well, Israel hasn't done a hell of a lot in recent years to dispel the myths behind that chant.

The only time nukes were offensive in nature was when we were the only one's possessing them. Since then, they've become purely defensive. They're the ultimate insurance against regime destruction. Take me out and the ramifications are too horrible to contemplate, so just don't fucking do it. Same reason using them offensively is out of the question.

It's pretty simple to understood why Iran wants to join the nuke club. And Israel has certainly NOT given them any reason to deviate from that path. In fact, they might have accelerated the process in recent weeks. You think they stupidly left all their "stuff" in known sites? Not hardly. In one stroke, Nuttyyahoo and Donnie the Dumbass just made Israel less safe. And the US as well, thank you very damn much. If they had enough weapons grade material, making the actual weapons is relatively easy. Word is they just might have enough material. They've had functional delivery systems for some time now.

Now, what were you saying about chanting?

[LymphocyteLover]

65. The hate clearly goes both ways

[FBaggins]

4. No need for confusion

It’s easy to oppose a bad leader while still supporting a nation at war with a far worse opponent.

It’s an error to conflate support of Israel against Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis with support of Netanyahu - just as it will be a mistake to look at many Democrats who will support the US against Iran and claim that they’re suddenly pro-Trump

[paleotn]

46. Certainly, but have their actions made that war with far worse opponents even worse?

Seems to me, Bibi aside, Israel has backed itself into a cul de sac. No thanks to the Zionist goobers. I hate ideological zealots. Their refusal to grasp realpolitik causes nothing but trouble. Leaving them with force as the only option, thus the cul de sac.

[Intractable]

5. Perhaps it's not the man, but rather his policies.

There are some liberals who are so pro-Israel, they are anti-anything that disagrees with them.

[Deminpenn]

6. It's Israel, the country, not necessarily whichever party happens to be governing,

that these Dems support. Jmho, but there is still a great deal of residual guilt in the US because we didn't do more, sooner to recognize and stop the Holocost that I think is part of it, too.

[enid602]

9. Gaza

Maybe that’s why most people around the world are strongly condemning the atrocities currently taking place in Gaza.

[cadoman]

47. bingo

It's critical to be the party that is most supportive of Israel.

AIPAC is huge and it's incredibly rare for a candidate to win without their backing. It makes zero sense to go against AIPAC and we need to be known as the party that most effectively protects Israel and their interests.

[murielm99]

57. This is what I would have posted.

I am glad I looked first.

[Mike Nelson]

8. I think...

... there is a strong historic feeling of support for Israel and its Jewish people. A "knee-jerk" reaction is to jump to the side of a persecuted people. The Democratic Party has been a place for "minority" communities, also. A more careful study shows me - maybe not all, but me - that Israel and its current leader are not worthy of my support.

[SocialDemocrat61]

10. Palestinians don't qualify as persecuted?

Or maybe for some the “knee-jerk” reaction only applies to persecuted white people.

[Mike Nelson]

13. I think they do...

... I think there are Israelis who want to get all Palestinians out of Israel, Gaza, West bank... That should be obvious, by now. And, of course, there are Palestinians who want all Jewish people out of Israel. My reference to a "knee-jerk" reaction would apply to historically non-"white people." Native Americans, Blacks, Japanese, and now Hispanic... also LGBT+ and other religions. I tend to move to the side of the persecuted... that's usually where the good can be found.

[SocialDemocrat61]

15. Sounds like you do

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which speaks well of you. But there are others who don’t.

[Scrivener7]

12. This is true for me too. I have always automatically given them the benefit of the doubt.

Until Bibi showed us "never again" doesn't really mean never.

[emulatorloo]

16. I don't know of any Dems besides Fetterman who give Netanyahu unqualified support.

I know a lot of Democrats who support Israel’s right to exist and support the citizens of Israel, but they are not Netanyahu cheerleaders.

Could you name the Democrats (besides Fetterman) you are talking about? Thanks!

[Mossfern]

17. Rec'd

Thank you!
I know of no Democrats who support Netanyahu or the the right wing in Israel.
Fetterman doesn't count as a democrat IMHO.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. I hear ya... Fetterman is such a disappointment.

[msfiddlestix]

41. I personally know serious leftist in my life who give unwavering, full throated support to Bibi;s murderous policies.

They believe there is no question he does what needs to be done, regarding Gaza and Iran.
I have learned to avoid conversations with my neighbor and others in my life who hate trump but support Bibi.

[redgreenandblue]

34. I mean Democrats mainly in the sense of voters.

[AloeVera]

35. The unqualified support is to Israel. By both parties.

Regardless of who is in power in Israel.

"Ironclad, unwavering and unconditional" support.

This unwavering support is why Israel acted with impunity while massacring and starving Palestinians - and continues to do so under Trump.

So it would be far easier and a much shorter list, to name the Democrats who refuse this unconditional support for Israel and demand some accountability and a modicum of human rights and international law protection for Palestinians.

Edited to add:
Since all but a negligible minority of Israelis support Netanyahu's policies vis a vis the Gaza war, the denial of statehood to Palestinians including ethnically cleansing them even from Israel - and now the war on Iran - it is actually fair to say that Israel is Netanyahu and Netanyahu is Israel. Ergo, Democrats' support for Israel equals support for Netanyahu.

[Balatro]

18. AIPAC dems.

This is one of the major reasons why the Israel lobby has so much sway on foreign policy. AIPAC lobbies both parties heavily. Not to mention even reasonable criticism of Israel is shouted down as "antisemitic" and weaponized against the critic.

[Butterflylady]

21. Bingo!!!!!...

[joshdawg]

19. This Liberal does not think of

netanyahoo as someone of good faith, but rather as one of the same bat-shit crazy slime ball infecting the White House.

[Butterflylady]

20. One word.......AIPAC......

Their hands are all over this.

[HarryM]

45. EXACTLY

AIPAC owns the Congress and Senate. So many members of both houses get "donations" from AIPAC for a very long time.

[Tetrachloride]

22. By name, who are these Democrats ?

[sheshe2]

58. Crickets.

[redgreenandblue]

72. I answered above.

Democrats, as in, voters.

[redgreenandblue]

73. Voters not politicians.

[aeromanKC]

23. Netenyahoo is an evil international terrorist

Just like you can still love America but hate international terrorist Trump, you can still love Israel but hate Netenyahoo.

[no_hypocrisy]

24. I think I can explain one democratic Jew whom I know

He's absolutely paranoid about any country ending the existence of Israel.

If Israel dies, so will all the Jews in the world.

It's a hypervigilance that isn't justified by facts.

[Joinfortmill]

36. I think it's very justified by history and the slaughter of 6 million people. Also, Netanyahu is a bum.

[Mossfern]

71. I don't support Netanyahu, but I "grok" what he is saying

I remember when I had my third child that I was occasionally distressed because if I had to grab my children and run, I only had two hands. Taking tours in England and Europe, the guides would show us "where they killed the Jews"- we had our children with us on some of those tours. Even the US refused to take in Jewish refugees during WWII - sending many to their doom.

Israel for me, just like the person you know, is the home base "safety" place for Jewish people. I think the persecution has been for so long and so intense that it has become part of our DNA.

I hate Bibi because he put our "homeland" at risk.
He puts Jews around the world at risk. I see that more and more.

Rabin was my guy - but you know what happened to him....fucking right wing ultra religious nut job.

BTW, my homeland is the US, not Israel - but I always thought that if things got rough that there was a place where I could take refuge.

[barbtries]

30. me too.

he's a fascist and a warmonger. and a criminal much like krasnov.

[Joinfortmill]

33. Netanyahu is crook, like Trump is a crook.

I think some folks supported Israel because the country was attacked, not because they liked Netanyahu.

[ShadesOfBlue]

42. Because those folks....

put their loyalties to Israel first. End stop.

[cadoman]

48. until an Islamic version of AIPAC emerges it's what makes sense

Lose AIPAC backing and our candidates will lose races.

If we lose races then there's no hope of crafting Democratic policy or having Democratic leadership.

[emulatorloo]

61. Ah the 'dual loyalty' trope. One of the oldest antisemitic canards out there.

Antisemitism defined: Allegations of Dual loyalty
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/defining-antisemitism-dual-loyalty

The sixth example in the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance working definition of antisemitism addresses one of the oldest antisemitic canards, whereby Jewish citizens are accused “of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.”

Simply referred to as the “dual loyalty” charge, antisemites alleges that the true allegiance of Jews is to their fellow Jews and that therefore they are inherently disloyal citizens and cannot be trusted. In casting the Jew as the other, this antisemitic trope, which has existed for thousands of years, has been used to scapegoat, harass, and vilify Jews, and at times has even led to murder.

[tritsofme]

64. Nothing new under the sun. Some of this stuff could be lifted straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

[TexLaProgressive]

43. I am definitely against antisemitism but

I have no love for Likud and especially Netanyahu. I believe that Israel has a right to exist as does Palestine. I think there was a viable path for peace but there are some in Israel who want to destroy Palestine and make it all Israel.

This is the same in my opinion as Putin

[hueymahl]

53. Democrats who support Iran over Israel are a mystery to me

One is a liberal democracy, with women's and gay rights, a constitution and a history of persecution and being attacked by its neighbors because of these things (and the fact that they are the "wrong" religion). The other is a governed by a caliphate, imprisons and kills gay people, requires women to take a subservient role, has virtually no free speech and has openly called for death and destruction of both the US and Israel.

[Wisky64]

54. Just a smoother Donald Trump

No I is just a smarter and more accomplished thief/liar than Donald Trump

[Johnny2X2X]

56. I fail to see how Israel is a US ally

We’ve gone to war for them over and over and how do they repay us? By helping Trump overthrow our democracy.

[dalton99a]

69. +1