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IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 04:31 PM Jun 2025

VETERAN: "This is why they can't wear masks. Because people like this exist... if you want to snatch people off the street

VETERAN: “This is why they can’t wear masks. Because people like this exist… if you want to snatch people off the streets, do it in uniform, and show your damn face.”

(@MarshaBlackburn’s Secret Police bill criminalizes transparency and threatens 5 years for naming an ICE agent)

VETERAN: “This is why they can’t wear masks. Because people like this exist… if you want to snatch people off the streets, do it in uniform, and show your damn face.”

(@MarshaBlackburn’s Secret Police bill criminalizes transparency and threatens 5 years for naming an ICE agent)

The Tennessee Holler (@thetnholler.bsky.social) 2025-06-07T17:47:43.266Z


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VETERAN: "This is why they can't wear masks. Because people like this exist... if you want to snatch people off the street (Original Post) IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 2025 OP
Kick TY! Cha Jun 2025 #1
Kick SheltieLover Jun 2025 #2
KnR times a thousand I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2025 #3
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #4
The masks and lack of uniforms tell us something basic Picaro Jun 2025 #5
Masks, no badges visible equals KKK of today Attilatheblond Jun 2025 #6
Police do not have to hide their names, badges, or faces because MadameButterfly Jun 2025 #17
Prosecute Blackburn along with them 4catsmom Jun 2025 #22
Add bdamomma Jun 2025 #27
If they committed these actions without masks, would that make it ok? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2025 #7
I don't believe... GiqueCee Jun 2025 #8
yeah my point being is why we're focusing on the masks when the actions themselves are horrific WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2025 #10
Because ICE wearing masks raise a specific additional problem noted in OP Ilikepurple Jun 2025 #19
It's a basic ethical principle RandomNumbers Jun 2025 #20
It would be better. Along with uniforms, badges, MadameButterfly Jun 2025 #18
Don't recall ever seeing photos of German troops or brown shirts wearing allegorical oracle Jun 2025 #9
Hate to say it but they were better than our Nazis... JanMichael Jun 2025 #11
Ughhh. GopherGal Jun 2025 #14
This is exactly what the MAGA government wants. To sow fear. dchill Jun 2025 #12
At one of these demonstrations oberle Jun 2025 #13
Or call them bdamomma Jun 2025 #28
💯 DiverDave Jun 2025 #15
Links Festivito Jun 2025 #16
Marsha is evolves Jun 2025 #21
These are the real rapists and murderers. Martin68 Jun 2025 #23
Exactly Iamscrewed Jun 2025 #24
K&R bdamomma Jun 2025 #25
Criminals wear masks... dlk Jun 2025 #26
Posing as ICE? ICE IS a criminal organization. paleotn Jun 2025 #29
And now we have Trump giving out more illegal executive orders saying PROTESTERS can't wear masks. Karasu Jun 2025 #30

Picaro

(2,333 posts)
5. The masks and lack of uniforms tell us something basic
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:00 PM
Jun 2025

Even the legitimate ones (that are actual ICE or police) know they are obeying illegal orders. They know that later if they are arrested that following orders is not a viable defense. I guarantee you that there are emails that talk to this. I would bet that there have been trainings that recommend wearing masks and not displaying their badges to protect from subsequent prosecution. They also know that what they’re doing is simply wrong and people are going to get really pissed off. Some might be tempted to track these people down. They know this because they’d get violent if this was done to them. Simple human logic.

We have laws, state and federal, that prohibit these behaviors.

These laws exist because of our sordid history of vigilante “justice” and extrajudicial rapes, murders, and assaults.

The Trump regime has ushered in a time of lawlessness where the supposed good guys are to be feared. Ultimately, these guys are going to pick on someone that’s armed and some of these idiots are going to get killed. When this happens the shooter is going to have a really good defense because they had no way of knowing who was attacking them. A masked person has always been viewed as an assailant—because in most instances they were.

It looks to me like a lot of these fuckers aren’t even real ICE or DHS. But it doesn’t really matter if they are. Without due process they are defacto illegitimate.

This piece brings the problems with how these supposed deportation actions are being carried out into even clearer focus.

Thanks for posting.

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
17. Police do not have to hide their names, badges, or faces because
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 11:28 PM
Jun 2025

for the most part Police are respected and considered necessary to society.
Whether or not ICE is illegal, it is hated. Trump knows they could be treated like his base treats judges.
This proves that the country is not on board for this. If it was, the ICE agents would be respected heros, not fugitives from the general public.

On a practical level, you just can't have any government agent enforcing anything in disguise. How can you cooperate with an arrest when you don't know who the people are? It's unsafe and HAS to be illegal. Are there any lawsuits yet? There have to be lawsuits.

GiqueCee

(3,409 posts)
8. I don't believe...
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:47 PM
Jun 2025

... that the OP suggests that at all. They're wearing masks because their actions are totally illegal. This entire program was spawned in the fevered mind of Stephen Miller, who is a bonafide psychopath, which can be said of a horrifying number of Republicans. Take Marsha Blackburn, for instance. Or Empty Greene. Or John Kennedy. or Mike Lee. Or "Moses" Johnson. Or, Hell, ANY Republican. Those with even a vestigial remnant of conscience have left the Republican Party, or are at least packing a go-bag, knowing that there is no line these fuckers won't cross, steadfast in their belief that the grotesquely corrupt "Sinister Six" on the SCOTUS will have their backs no matter what crimes they commit. That's already been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,312 posts)
10. yeah my point being is why we're focusing on the masks when the actions themselves are horrific
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:12 PM
Jun 2025

Ilikepurple

(425 posts)
19. Because ICE wearing masks raise a specific additional problem noted in OP
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 12:24 AM
Jun 2025

If your criticism is that the original post is wasting your or our time, why fight this post instead of fighting the horrors? It seems people get a little too attached to their personal narratives about these issues and want to sweep others’ concerns away. I for one do not believe I can achieve a god’s eye point of view and therefore must lean on the experiences and ideas of others to become better informed.

RandomNumbers

(19,056 posts)
20. It's a basic ethical principle
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 09:10 AM
Jun 2025

"How would you feel if your actions were publicized? Like splashed on the front page of a newspaper?"

(realizing that now "newspaper" concept should be replaced with "go viral on social media" )

Point being, if you would NOT want your actions publicized and known that you did the thing, you probably shouldn't do the thing (ethically, anyway). As the OP pointed out, "following orders" doesn't make it legally okay. For most people, ethics goes beyond just the law; probably in the case of people willing to be ICE agents and carry out these raids, the legal factor is the main thing. But there still might be a kernel of conscience left in some of them, that would make them unwilling if their participation were public.

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
18. It would be better. Along with uniforms, badges,
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 11:39 PM
Jun 2025

a way to be sure they are who they say they are.

Otherwise they subject the public to imposters.
They absolve themselves of any professional responsibility in the actions they do take.
if you believe in what ICE is doing, you should be willing to set these standards.

The refusal to set standards is admission that you are not actually concerned about legality and you recognize that the people will not tolerate what you are doing. It may be an effort to make the deportations even more inflammatory to lead to the insurrection act sooner rather than later. Or it may just show that Trump is desperate, having found there are not actually enough rapists and murderers to make a dent in the immigrant population so he is having to go after beloved community member.s

allegorical oracle

(6,184 posts)
9. Don't recall ever seeing photos of German troops or brown shirts wearing
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:53 PM
Jun 2025

masks as they conducted their arrest roundups....

GopherGal

(2,788 posts)
14. Ughhh.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:24 PM
Jun 2025

Hate to agree, but that's the point we've reached in this country now.
ICE agents compare unfavorably to OG Nazis.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
12. This is exactly what the MAGA government wants. To sow fear.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:24 PM
Jun 2025

If they wear uniforms and show their faces, it makes them responsible for all they do. That won't work for them.

oberle

(272 posts)
13. At one of these demonstrations
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:50 PM
Jun 2025

I wish somebody would pull one of their masks down. Then at least one of them can be identified.

evolves

(5,738 posts)
21. Marsha is
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 09:31 AM
Jun 2025

a festering cancer in the body of this nation.
She is a horrible embarrassment and and even more horrible person.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
30. And now we have Trump giving out more illegal executive orders saying PROTESTERS can't wear masks.
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 02:52 PM
Jun 2025
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