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they are worried sick about what Musk knows about the (2nd half of) 2024 campaign. '

Irish_Dem
(70,495 posts)DOGE hackers were hard at work for Trump on election day.
speak easy
(11,638 posts)Did DOGE hack that? They hacked CA, IL and NJ? For what reason?
Irish_Dem
(70,495 posts)Same kids who walked into all federal agencies and hacked the computers in a matter of hours.
speak easy
(11,638 posts)CA 2024 Harris - 9,276,179 votes - in her home state.
2024 - Whatever you think about hacking, millions of Democrats stayed at home and that's why we lost.
Irish_Dem
(70,495 posts)I am supposed to believe that the ruthless psychopath politicians and billionaires, many of them computer
experts, did not hack this election?
Trump faced prison and bankruptcy.
Putin faced the loss of the Ukraine war and possible assassination.
Musk faced loss of govt contracts and possible jail for his federal violations.
The billionaires wanted to pay no taxes, no restrictions and immunity for their crimes.
These are known criminals and psychopaths with a lot to lose.
ETA: And they all realized that they could loot the entire federal payroll and US Treasury.
And all become trillionaires. Strip the US down to the studs.
Just like they are doing now.
And I am supposed to believe they resisted all of this temptation and they all played fair and square?
Because they love the US, our democracy, the American people.
I was born at night but not last night.
speak easy
(11,638 posts)I am only stating my point of view. If Harris was down nearly 2 million in CA, there was more than hacking going in. Misogyny is woven into every thread of American history.
LymphocyteLover
(8,097 posts)all over the board, in every state, presumably due to economic concerns (and boy, were they misled over who could fix it).
If there was hacking, it was deep and systemic-- but I have a hard time seeing that.
travelingthrulife
(2,499 posts)more natural.
DENVERPOPS
(12,486 posts)The head of U.S. Intelligence said there was an unprecedented amount of attacks by Russia, China, and a few others. Far far worse than ever before.
The intel community was taking them down in record numbers, but he basically said it was like a giant game of Whack a Mole due to them coming at us so fast..........
karynnj
(60,308 posts)It might not have just been the Republicans arguing that Harris did not earn the nomination in the primary. This might have made some people less eager to vote. It is also possible some believed the lies about Biden and thought Harris one of the people who covered up. Reading the comments of the former press secretary, the intense attacks on Biden may have worked in either of those ways.
DENVERPOPS
(12,486 posts)there are still a large number of voters, who will never vote for a woman or a black person....and esp for a woman who is black.......
We have gone backwards in so many different ways in our beloved country........
whathehell
(30,164 posts)at least part of the reason Harris lost was due to misogyny..That said, there's absolutely no evidence that misogyny is more "woven into the thread of American history" than it is in any other nation in the world and I'd guess it to be less than some.
speak easy
(11,638 posts)But few nations are having an ongoing war over abortion like United States.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,222 posts)
Kaleva
(39,455 posts)Which showed the race too close to call.
In Dem controlled Wayne County (metro Detroit area),the people who show up to vote are counted but Harris got about 60000 less votes there than Biden did in 2020. For your scenario to work, not only would the voting machines have to be hacked but also the paper trail that records the number of people who showed up at the polls to vote
Fewer people voted in blue strongholds in 2024 then they did in 2020.
uponit7771
(92,941 posts)Kaleva
(39,455 posts)Turnout in blue strongholds in battleground states was less then it was in 2020.
uponit7771
(92,941 posts)fujiyamasan
(243 posts)Why would one party rig the states electoral votes for president, but not do it for the senate races?
Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada dems won the senate seats all by razor thin margins, but Trump won the states. Election denial is not just a form of coping and denial, its a way to not bother looking inward at what causes losses in the first place and it gets in the way of finding a winning message.
The Wizard
(13,186 posts)Swing States. DeJoy sent his torpedoes into Swing State Democratic districts to "collect" the mail in ballots. What was the under count on the Swing States?
GiqueCee
(2,307 posts)JustAnotherGen
(35,268 posts)Rockland County Informs my opinion on this.
Why it matters? How do disrupt the Traitorous Confeds in 2026? Are they going to pull the same stunt in NJ and VA this year?
Never forget - Tom Keane Sr won with the help of Roger Stone in 1981 and it was NJ in the 1980's that triggered prior disclosure of Voting Rights Act. They've had 50 years to refine. We need the Black Panthers protecting polling locations in Newark, Jersey City and Patterson this November.
I would not put it past this cabal to install 'FBI DHS ICE' aka Jan 6ers and Proud Boys at polling locations in those cities to intimidate Black voters.
They did it in 1981.
The Voting Rights Act is Dead.
They will do it again.
Johnny Reb Confeds will always choose evil.
uponit7771
(92,941 posts)... all the motivation in the world, bad character and know how.
Chemical Bill
(2,803 posts)They purge Democratic voters before elections. They use the corporate media to smear Democrats. There were bomb threats from Russia that closed polling places in Democratic areas, and some never reopened. The US has a long history of keeping Black people from voting. And yet some people say that they don't see how Republicans could change election results, or even that it doesn't matter.
yellow dahlia
(2,478 posts)czarjak
(12,912 posts)fujiyamasan
(243 posts)But switched to either voting for Trump or sitting it out. Thats across different states, especially here in CA where there was no question who would win the state.
Besides, if musk wanted to give republicans complete control they missed a few significant races:
Arizona: Ruben Gallego won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Michigan: Elissa Slotkin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Nevada: Jacky Rosen won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election
Attilatheblond
(6,137 posts)Too many people think POTUS is all that matters because too many people are ignorant of how government works and LOTS of MAGAs are too lazy to vote the whole ballot. They believe Trump's rant that only he can fix it.
ananda
(31,997 posts)Thisis what I have also been thinking.
Starlink was the key to it all.
yellow dahlia
(2,478 posts)Evolve Dammit
(20,738 posts)bagimin
(1,565 posts)The restrictive voting measures that fascists enacted pre-election were enough to deny Harris the victory many polls indicated.https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/. This should be an hour special of 60 minutes.
JustAnotherGen
(35,268 posts)And with the death of the VRA and the rise of Bondi -
There will be no protections for Black voters or College Students in the coming years.
This is why I'm very eager to see what the Hogg/Bernie wing of the Democratic Party are going to do to get young white men and women to vote Democratic.
Evolve Dammit
(20,738 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(19,470 posts)Musks candidate lost, in a defeat more humiliating to Musk than it was to the candidate.
Surely, hacking that race would have been simpler than hacking the 2024 presidential race.
Either way, there is zero evidence , as introduced and accepted in a court of law, to support either kooky CT theory.
2024 election denialism has as much verified evidence as 2020 election denialism, the only thing missing is the Cyber Ninjas.
k_buddy762
(638 posts)Excellent logical post. It will be criticized here.
fujiyamasan
(243 posts)In swing states Harris lost in. AI summary:
Arizona: Ruben Gallego won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Michigan: Elissa Slotkin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Nevada: Jacky Rosen won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election
B.See
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The misogynists, the malcontents, the social misfits and political arsonists who delight in chaos and want to burn it all down,
the protest voters, the minority defectors to Trump's brand of bile (filed under FAFO)
the so-called 'undecideds' (wrong bub - if you were undecided about clearly different alternatives, then you've decided)
and the downright too lazy (i.e. stupid) to bother (filed under, roll over and play dead, why don'tcha)...
and ALSO hacked. That is, hacked in the sense of voter purges, voter suppression tactics (removal and closure of polling places etc.) and a myriad of other reich winged laws and intimidation tactics
aimed at RIGGING THE VOTE in favour of their side. To the extent of even passing laws that enabled them to challenge and throw out votes and voters at their discretion.
The fix was in, and Trump knew it.
yellow dahlia
(2,478 posts)Election Truth Alliance has the numbers...which we knew didn't math.
Botany
(74,339 posts)Give him immunity and let him speak about the central tabulators.
yellow dahlia
(2,478 posts)Kaleva
(39,455 posts)The election has already been certified and there are no do-overs. As sitting President, Trump cant be charged , except by the House, and theres no way 2/3rds of the Senate will vote to convict in an impeachment trial.
Emile
(34,989 posts)Kaleva
(39,455 posts)Now, if the polls had shown that Harris was in the lead in any of those states and her lead was outside the margin of error, then certainly eyebrows would be raised.
LymphocyteLover
(8,097 posts)the swing states were closer, presumably because the Harris-Walz campaign put more effort there countering Trumpian BS
Fiendish Thingy
(19,470 posts)Just as he won all but one swing state in 2016.
LymphocyteLover
(8,097 posts)Quixote1818
(30,983 posts)Blue Full Moon
(2,242 posts)Blue Full Moon
(2,242 posts)sop
(14,553 posts)Since the candidates on the ballot were running for a national office, it would be a federal crime, not a state crime. The FBI and DOJ investigate and prosecute federal election crimes. Kash Patel won't investigate, Pam Bondi's DOJ won't grant Musk immunity and a Republican Congress won't hold hearings.
Blue Full Moon
(2,242 posts)Lonestarblue
(12,642 posts)The MAGA crowd voted for a convicted sexual deviant. Learning that he has raped and sexually abused youn teen girls will be perfectly acceptable to them.
travelingthrulife
(2,499 posts)was on one of those flights as well.
Unless there is tape of him screwing a 12 year old nothing would happen. Even then, they will call the tape AI.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,794 posts)She asked for it. She liked it. She looked old enough. They just talked. He paid her college. They will twist themselves into pretzels defending him.
dalton99a
(88,795 posts)sop
(14,553 posts)Maybe Ghislaine Maxwell could cut a deal to get out of her 20-year federal prison sentence in return for incriminating testimony against Trump and others, but the DOJ would never go along with that. Even then, the cult would remain faithful.
Kid Berwyn
(20,600 posts)Without a Doubt.
Renew Deal
(84,019 posts)Trump did say he had a secret about the election. He said it on stage.
yellow dahlia
(2,478 posts)the tabulators.
He made sure he won the supposed popular vote, and all the swing states...to appease his ego. And so he could say he "supposedly" has a mandate.
Wingus Dingus
(9,026 posts)Melon
(367 posts)Really .i want to be believe but I dont believe anything substantial will be released. There is either nothing to it at all .or info detrimental to both parties. Otherwise it would have been released.
milestogo
(20,745 posts)But stealing an election is worse.
live love laugh
(15,409 posts)Warpy
(113,497 posts)because their base of fundagelical, OT obsessed cultists will see all those rich old geezers fucking little girls as doing gods work like the Hebrew kings of old with their hundreds of concubines.
Those girls weren't pampered c royal concubines and those old men weren't Hebrew kings. Never mind Epstein was a pimp, selling bodies he didn't own for fabulous amounts of money and likely blackmailing the men he sold them to.
czarjak
(12,912 posts)Again. What happened to dragging us kicking and screaming to Republican Conservatism? Asking for a friend. You built this!