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speak easy

(11,638 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:01 AM 18 hrs ago

Rick Wilson: 'Trumpworld isn't worried about the Epstein files,

Last edited Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:29 AM - Edit history (1)

they are worried sick about what Musk knows about the (2nd half of) 2024 campaign. '

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Rick Wilson: 'Trumpworld isn't worried about the Epstein files, (Original Post) speak easy 18 hrs ago OP
Musk knows how the election was stolen, because he and Putin did it. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #1
Less Democrats voted in 47 of 50 States. speak easy 18 hrs ago #2
DOGE knew exactly which counties in which states they needed to hack. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #3
CA 2020 Biden - 11,110,639 votes speak easy 17 hrs ago #5
We don't know jackshit about what really happened. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #6
"I am supposed to believe ..." speak easy 17 hrs ago #7
Yes, this is the big argument against major vote hacking. The orange shit gained a lot of votes LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #18
I suspect they adjusted every state and every demographic to make it look travelingthrulife 7 hrs ago #51
Before the election DENVERPOPS 5 hrs ago #56
Misogyny or discontented Democrats karynnj 8 hrs ago #47
Sadly DENVERPOPS 5 hrs ago #57
I do agree that whathehell 6 hrs ago #52
I agree. speak easy 6 hrs ago #55
Thank you Ferrets are Cool 17 hrs ago #8
They would also have to manipulate the polls too Kaleva 17 hrs ago #9
Yep, too many Dems stayed home uponit7771 12 hrs ago #40
IMHO, that is why Harris lost Kaleva 8 hrs ago #44
Also mail in ballots didn't come as high as increase in early voting uponit7771 8 hrs ago #46
I make the same argument I did with Trump 2020 election deniers fujiyamasan 7 hrs ago #49
They tweaked the mail in vote in The Wizard 16 hrs ago #14
NAILED IT. nt GiqueCee 16 hrs ago #15
Agreed JustAnotherGen 15 hrs ago #22
Need more first hand evidence vs statistical anomalies / circumstances, I do agree they had... uponit7771 12 hrs ago #38
We know Republicans cheat. Chemical Bill 6 hrs ago #54
Yup! And a hear hear! yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #60
Putin's Plan czarjak 21 min ago #65
I know of several that voted for Biden fujiyamasan 12 hrs ago #41
Am in AZ, ad figure Gallego won because a lot of MAGAs only voted top of ticket. Attilatheblond 7 hrs ago #48
Right on! ananda 16 hrs ago #13
Yup again! yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #59
Hard to believe that is accurate. I hope someone spills it all. Melon could do that. Evolve Dammit 17 hrs ago #4
Jim Crow lives bagimin 17 hrs ago #10
Exactly JustAnotherGen 15 hrs ago #23
Sounds right Evolve Dammit 8 hrs ago #43
Why didn't they hack the recent Wisconsin Supreme Court race? Fiendish Thingy 15 hrs ago #27
Bravo! k_buddy762 12 hrs ago #36
Or the four democratic senators that won fujiyamasan 12 hrs ago #39
I vote all the above... B.See 7 hrs ago #50
Yup! yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #58
Musk was into the data end of story Botany 16 hrs ago #11
Yup! yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #61
Why would they worried? Kaleva 16 hrs ago #12
It seems impossible Trump won every battleground state. Emile 16 hrs ago #16
I believe the polls showed the race too close to call in each of those states Kaleva 16 hrs ago #17
his overall vote share increased in all non-swing states by more than it went up in the swing states-- LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #20
And yet, he did. Fiendish Thingy 15 hrs ago #28
If they weren't worried about the Epstein files, they would have released them by now LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #19
Wouldn't this incriminate Musk too? Nt Quixote1818 15 hrs ago #21
Exactly Blue Full Moon 15 hrs ago #24
Offer Musk immunity and get all those Russian assets Blue Full Moon 15 hrs ago #25
I completely agree we need to find out what happened, but who would offer Musk immunity? sop 14 hrs ago #31
Proof of rigged elections they are gone Blue Full Moon 12 hrs ago #42
I doubt anything in the Epstein files would affect Trump. Lonestarblue 15 hrs ago #26
Agreed. The Epstein files will be ignored or rationalized or both sided since Clinton travelingthrulife 15 hrs ago #29
They would still justify it BeerBarrelPolka 14 hrs ago #32
The cult couldn't care less if Trump raped a 9-year-old and murdered her parents on Fifth Avenue dalton99a 14 hrs ago #30
Legal jeopardy for Trump (and all the others) died with Epstein. Without a witness, it's all unsubstantiated rumor. sop 14 hrs ago #33
Magic 8-Ball says... Kid Berwyn 14 hrs ago #34
I don't buy too many of the conspiracies but... Renew Deal 13 hrs ago #35
AND he didn't need any more votes. AND Elon is great with yellow dahlia 3 hrs ago #63
This may be true. Wingus Dingus 12 hrs ago #37
If this were all true, then why wouldn't the Biden admin have released the information? Melon 8 hrs ago #45
The whole world already knows he is a pedophile and rapist. milestogo 6 hrs ago #53
Doubt that bc it's incriminating to Musk. live love laugh 4 hrs ago #62
They don't need to be worried about the Epstein files Warpy 3 hrs ago #64
WeWasRobbedWilson czarjak 19 min ago #66

Irish_Dem

(70,495 posts)
1. Musk knows how the election was stolen, because he and Putin did it.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:05 AM
18 hrs ago

DOGE hackers were hard at work for Trump on election day.

speak easy

(11,638 posts)
2. Less Democrats voted in 47 of 50 States.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:16 AM
18 hrs ago

Did DOGE hack that? They hacked CA, IL and NJ? For what reason?

Irish_Dem

(70,495 posts)
3. DOGE knew exactly which counties in which states they needed to hack.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:26 AM
17 hrs ago

Same kids who walked into all federal agencies and hacked the computers in a matter of hours.

speak easy

(11,638 posts)
5. CA 2020 Biden - 11,110,639 votes
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:42 AM
17 hrs ago

CA 2024 Harris - 9,276,179 votes - in her home state.

2024 - Whatever you think about hacking, millions of Democrats stayed at home and that's why we lost.

Irish_Dem

(70,495 posts)
6. We don't know jackshit about what really happened.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:59 AM
17 hrs ago

I am supposed to believe that the ruthless psychopath politicians and billionaires, many of them computer
experts, did not hack this election?

Trump faced prison and bankruptcy.
Putin faced the loss of the Ukraine war and possible assassination.
Musk faced loss of govt contracts and possible jail for his federal violations.

The billionaires wanted to pay no taxes, no restrictions and immunity for their crimes.

These are known criminals and psychopaths with a lot to lose.

ETA: And they all realized that they could loot the entire federal payroll and US Treasury.
And all become trillionaires. Strip the US down to the studs.
Just like they are doing now.

And I am supposed to believe they resisted all of this temptation and they all played fair and square?
Because they love the US, our democracy, the American people.

I was born at night but not last night.

speak easy

(11,638 posts)
7. "I am supposed to believe ..."
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:05 AM
17 hrs ago

I am only stating my point of view. If Harris was down nearly 2 million in CA, there was more than hacking going in. Misogyny is woven into every thread of American history.

LymphocyteLover

(8,097 posts)
18. Yes, this is the big argument against major vote hacking. The orange shit gained a lot of votes
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:04 AM
16 hrs ago

all over the board, in every state, presumably due to economic concerns (and boy, were they misled over who could fix it).

If there was hacking, it was deep and systemic-- but I have a hard time seeing that.

DENVERPOPS

(12,486 posts)
56. Before the election
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:34 PM
5 hrs ago

The head of U.S. Intelligence said there was an unprecedented amount of attacks by Russia, China, and a few others. Far far worse than ever before.
The intel community was taking them down in record numbers, but he basically said it was like a giant game of Whack a Mole due to them coming at us so fast..........

karynnj

(60,308 posts)
47. Misogyny or discontented Democrats
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 04:18 PM
8 hrs ago

It might not have just been the Republicans arguing that Harris did not earn the nomination in the primary. This might have made some people less eager to vote. It is also possible some believed the lies about Biden and thought Harris one of the people who covered up. Reading the comments of the former press secretary, the intense attacks on Biden may have worked in either of those ways.

DENVERPOPS

(12,486 posts)
57. Sadly
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:37 PM
5 hrs ago

there are still a large number of voters, who will never vote for a woman or a black person....and esp for a woman who is black.......
We have gone backwards in so many different ways in our beloved country........

whathehell

(30,164 posts)
52. I do agree that
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:32 PM
6 hrs ago

at least part of the reason Harris lost was due to misogyny..That said, there's absolutely no evidence that misogyny is more "woven into the thread of American history" than it is in any other nation in the world and I'd guess it to be less than some.

Kaleva

(39,455 posts)
9. They would also have to manipulate the polls too
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:19 AM
17 hrs ago

Which showed the race too close to call.

In Dem controlled Wayne County (metro Detroit area),the people who show up to vote are counted but Harris got about 60000 less votes there than Biden did in 2020. For your scenario to work, not only would the voting machines have to be hacked but also the paper trail that records the number of people who showed up at the polls to vote

Fewer people voted in blue strongholds in 2024 then they did in 2020.

Kaleva

(39,455 posts)
44. IMHO, that is why Harris lost
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 04:04 PM
8 hrs ago

Turnout in blue strongholds in battleground states was less then it was in 2020.

fujiyamasan

(243 posts)
49. I make the same argument I did with Trump 2020 election deniers
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 04:40 PM
7 hrs ago

Why would one party rig the state’s electoral votes for president, but not do it for the senate races?

Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada — dems won the senate seats — all by razor thin margins, but Trump won the states. Election denial is not just a form of coping and denial, it’s a way to not bother looking inward at what causes losses in the first place and it gets in the way of finding a winning message.


The Wizard

(13,186 posts)
14. They tweaked the mail in vote in
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:32 AM
16 hrs ago

Swing States. DeJoy sent his torpedoes into Swing State Democratic districts to "collect" the mail in ballots. What was the under count on the Swing States?

JustAnotherGen

(35,268 posts)
22. Agreed
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:40 AM
15 hrs ago

Rockland County Informs my opinion on this.

Why it matters? How do disrupt the Traitorous Confeds in 2026? Are they going to pull the same stunt in NJ and VA this year?

Never forget - Tom Keane Sr won with the help of Roger Stone in 1981 and it was NJ in the 1980's that triggered prior disclosure of Voting Rights Act. They've had 50 years to refine. We need the Black Panthers protecting polling locations in Newark, Jersey City and Patterson this November.

I would not put it past this cabal to install 'FBI DHS ICE' aka Jan 6ers and Proud Boys at polling locations in those cities to intimidate Black voters.

They did it in 1981.
The Voting Rights Act is Dead.
They will do it again.

Johnny Reb Confeds will always choose evil.

uponit7771

(92,941 posts)
38. Need more first hand evidence vs statistical anomalies / circumstances, I do agree they had...
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 11:54 AM
12 hrs ago

... all the motivation in the world, bad character and know how.

Chemical Bill

(2,803 posts)
54. We know Republicans cheat.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:16 PM
6 hrs ago

They purge Democratic voters before elections. They use the corporate media to smear Democrats. There were bomb threats from Russia that closed polling places in Democratic areas, and some never reopened. The US has a long history of keeping Black people from voting. And yet some people say that they don't see how Republicans could change election results, or even that it doesn't matter.

fujiyamasan

(243 posts)
41. I know of several that voted for Biden
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 11:58 AM
12 hrs ago

But switched to either voting for Trump or sitting it out. That’s across different states, especially here in CA where there was no question who would win the state.

Besides, if musk wanted to give republicans complete control they missed a few significant races:

Arizona: Ruben Gallego won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.

Michigan: Elissa Slotkin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.

Nevada: Jacky Rosen won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.

Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election

Attilatheblond

(6,137 posts)
48. Am in AZ, ad figure Gallego won because a lot of MAGAs only voted top of ticket.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 04:28 PM
7 hrs ago

Too many people think POTUS is all that matters because too many people are ignorant of how government works and LOTS of MAGAs are too lazy to vote the whole ballot. They believe Trump's rant that only he can fix it.

bagimin

(1,565 posts)
10. Jim Crow lives
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:22 AM
17 hrs ago

The restrictive voting measures that fascists enacted pre-election were enough to deny Harris the victory many polls indicated.https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/. This should be an hour special of 60 minutes.

JustAnotherGen

(35,268 posts)
23. Exactly
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:48 AM
15 hrs ago

And with the death of the VRA and the rise of Bondi -

There will be no protections for Black voters or College Students in the coming years.

This is why I'm very eager to see what the Hogg/Bernie wing of the Democratic Party are going to do to get young white men and women to vote Democratic.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,470 posts)
27. Why didn't they hack the recent Wisconsin Supreme Court race?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:56 AM
15 hrs ago

Musk’s candidate lost, in a defeat more humiliating to Musk than it was to the candidate.

Surely, hacking that race would have been simpler than hacking the 2024 presidential race.

Either way, there is zero evidence , as introduced and accepted in a court of law, to support either kooky CT theory.

2024 election denialism has as much verified evidence as 2020 election denialism, the only thing missing is the Cyber Ninjas.

fujiyamasan

(243 posts)
39. Or the four democratic senators that won
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 11:54 AM
12 hrs ago

In swing states Harris lost in. AI summary:

Arizona: Ruben Gallego won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Michigan: Elissa Slotkin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Nevada: Jacky Rosen won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election

B.See

(5,545 posts)
50. I vote all the above...
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 04:53 PM
7 hrs ago

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The misogynists, the malcontents, the social misfits and political arsonists who delight in chaos and want to burn it all down,

the protest voters, the minority defectors to Trump's brand of bile (filed under FAFO)

the so-called 'undecideds' (wrong bub - if you were undecided about clearly different alternatives, then you've decided)

and the downright too lazy (i.e. stupid) to bother (filed under, roll over and play dead, why don'tcha)...

and ALSO hacked. That is, hacked in the sense of voter purges, voter suppression tactics (removal and closure of polling places etc.) and a myriad of other reich winged laws and intimidation tactics

aimed at RIGGING THE VOTE in favour of their side. To the extent of even passing laws that enabled them to challenge and throw out votes and voters at their discretion.

The fix was in, and Trump knew it.

Botany

(74,339 posts)
11. Musk was into the data end of story
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:25 AM
16 hrs ago

Give him immunity and let him speak about the central tabulators.

Kaleva

(39,455 posts)
12. Why would they worried?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:31 AM
16 hrs ago

The election has already been certified and there are no do-overs. As sitting President, Trump can’t be charged , except by the House, and there’s no way 2/3rds of the Senate will vote to convict in an impeachment trial.

Kaleva

(39,455 posts)
17. I believe the polls showed the race too close to call in each of those states
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:03 AM
16 hrs ago

Now, if the polls had shown that Harris was in the lead in any of those states and her lead was outside the margin of error, then certainly eyebrows would be raised.

LymphocyteLover

(8,097 posts)
20. his overall vote share increased in all non-swing states by more than it went up in the swing states--
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:08 AM
16 hrs ago

the swing states were closer, presumably because the Harris-Walz campaign put more effort there countering Trumpian BS

sop

(14,553 posts)
31. I completely agree we need to find out what happened, but who would offer Musk immunity?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 09:31 AM
14 hrs ago

Since the candidates on the ballot were running for a national office, it would be a federal crime, not a state crime. The FBI and DOJ investigate and prosecute federal election crimes. Kash Patel won't investigate, Pam Bondi's DOJ won't grant Musk immunity and a Republican Congress won't hold hearings.

Lonestarblue

(12,642 posts)
26. I doubt anything in the Epstein files would affect Trump.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:56 AM
15 hrs ago

The MAGA crowd voted for a convicted sexual deviant. Learning that he has raped and sexually abused youn teen girls will be perfectly acceptable to them.

travelingthrulife

(2,499 posts)
29. Agreed. The Epstein files will be ignored or rationalized or both sided since Clinton
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 09:12 AM
15 hrs ago

was on one of those flights as well.
Unless there is tape of him screwing a 12 year old nothing would happen. Even then, they will call the tape AI.

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,794 posts)
32. They would still justify it
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 09:32 AM
14 hrs ago

She asked for it. She liked it. She looked old enough. They just talked. He paid her college. They will twist themselves into pretzels defending him.

dalton99a

(88,795 posts)
30. The cult couldn't care less if Trump raped a 9-year-old and murdered her parents on Fifth Avenue
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 09:28 AM
14 hrs ago

sop

(14,553 posts)
33. Legal jeopardy for Trump (and all the others) died with Epstein. Without a witness, it's all unsubstantiated rumor.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 09:46 AM
14 hrs ago

Maybe Ghislaine Maxwell could cut a deal to get out of her 20-year federal prison sentence in return for incriminating testimony against Trump and others, but the DOJ would never go along with that. Even then, the cult would remain faithful.

Renew Deal

(84,019 posts)
35. I don't buy too many of the conspiracies but...
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 10:33 AM
13 hrs ago

Trump did say he had a secret about the election. He said it on stage.

yellow dahlia

(2,478 posts)
63. AND he didn't need any more votes. AND Elon is great with
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:24 PM
3 hrs ago

the tabulators.

He made sure he won the supposed popular vote, and all the swing states...to appease his ego. And so he could say he "supposedly" has a mandate.

Melon

(367 posts)
45. If this were all true, then why wouldn't the Biden admin have released the information?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 04:08 PM
8 hrs ago

Really….i want to be believe…but I don’t believe anything substantial will be released. There is either nothing to it at all….or info detrimental to both parties. Otherwise it would have been released.

milestogo

(20,745 posts)
53. The whole world already knows he is a pedophile and rapist.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:03 PM
6 hrs ago

But stealing an election is worse.

Warpy

(113,497 posts)
64. They don't need to be worried about the Epstein files
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:34 PM
3 hrs ago

because their base of fundagelical, OT obsessed cultists will see all those rich old geezers fucking little girls as doing gods work like the Hebrew kings of old with their hundreds of concubines.

Those girls weren't pampered c royal concubines and those old men weren't Hebrew kings. Never mind Epstein was a pimp, selling bodies he didn't own for fabulous amounts of money and likely blackmailing the men he sold them to.

czarjak

(12,912 posts)
66. WeWasRobbedWilson
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 12:03 AM
19 min ago

Again. What happened to dragging us kicking and screaming to Republican Conservatism? Asking for a friend. You built this!

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