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Botany

(73,846 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 02:11 PM Apr 11

Why did Krasnov fold so fast on his tariffs? I might be wrong.

Canadian P.M. Carney has his doctorate in economics and Krasnov flunked out of Fordham then his
dad bought him a degree from the University of Pennsylvania (Wharton is much better known for its MBA program which Krasnov was not admitted to).

P.M. Carney called up some of his European friends whose countries along with Canada own a lot
of America’s debt in bonds and they started withdrawing some of their money from that market as
a warning to Krasnov that if they wanted to they could crash the American economy and then rest
the rest of the the world would see that investing into America was no longer “a safe play.”

Krasnov folded like a card table after a meeting of the bridge club of Albert Lee, Minnesota had
left the Elks Clubhouse.

From Wiki.

“Carney was born in Fort Smith, Northwest Territories, and raised in Edmonton, Alberta. He graduated with a bachelor's degree in economics from Harvard University in 1988, then studied at the University of Oxford, where he earned a master's degree in 1993 and a doctorate in 1995. He held various roles at Goldman Sachs before joining the Bank of Canada as a deputy governor in 2003. In 2004, he was named as senior associate deputy minister for the Department of Finance Canada. In 2007, Carney was named Governor of the Bank of Canada, where he was responsible for Canadian monetary policy during the global financial crisis. He led the Canadian central bank until 2013, when he was appointed as Governor of the Bank of England, where he led the British central bank's response to Brexit and the early phase of the COVID-19 pandemic.“

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gab13by13

(27,712 posts)
2. Japan owns a lot of our debt
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 02:39 PM
Apr 11

and it cashed in quite a bit. Maybe that is why Krasnov came out forcibly today against Nippon Steel buying out the US Steel factory in Pa.?

NNadir

(35,593 posts)
4. That's interesting. Thanks. It seems like Carney is the perfect guy to confront this fool.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 02:52 PM
Apr 11

Botany

(73,846 posts)
6. I read someplace that P.M. Carney gave Krasnov a C.T.C. (Cut the Crap) phone call too.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 03:36 PM
Apr 11

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But then again I might be wrong in my memory.

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NNadir

(35,593 posts)
7. I've observed that the problem with talking with a fool who knows nothing...
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 03:47 PM
Apr 11

...is that knowing nothing, the fool cannot grasp that nothing is, in fact nothing.

This is a convoluted was of appealing to the famous Dunning-Kruger effect.

We are all subject to that effect at one time or another, but from my perspective an educated person is one who knows how little he or she knows.

malaise

(283,038 posts)
10. A bullshitter is an even bigger bullshitter in a room with experts
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:59 PM
Apr 11

He is in way over his head still pretending to know everything

jmowreader

(52,126 posts)
9. How do you know he folded?
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 08:51 PM
Apr 11

There are two ways to read this.

One, which I think you're going with (and would be logical if Trump didn't have the IQ of a cinder block) is that he sincerely meant to apply the tariffs but discovered the rest of the world wasn't just going to roll over and take it - the announcement of retaliatory tariffs from other countries backed him down. The only problem with this theory is that a president with even one grain of brain would have known the rest of the world wasn't going to play along and wouldn't have implemented the tariffs in the first place.

The other is that he announced the tariffs because he (or his advisors) knew they'd collapse the stock market until he suspended them. This benefited both the shorts and the longs - the shorts made money during the time the market was crashing, and the longs made their money by purchasing stock just before he suspended the tariffs. In essence, market manipulation on a scale rarely seen in the history of stock trading. This is naturally an illegal and impeachable offense, but anyone with the power to do anything to Trump for this is owned by Trump and won't do anything to him.

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