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(54,990 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 01:57 PM Friday

the increase won't be as dramatic as the crazy percentages we're hearing about, but it will be significant over time.

consider a business that sells a specialty item for $100.

it's imported from a european nation now subject to a 10% tariff. The business model is buy the item for $30, but you have $65 in expenses -- shipping fees and land transport to your store, then overhead to operate a retail outlet (rent, labor, advertising, insurance, etc.), so you're margin in the end is only $5.

But it's only the raw import that's subject to the tariff, and that costs $30, so that's basically a $3 tax. If you pass 100% of it on to the consumer, the end price goes from $100 to $103, still "only" a 3% increase.

but given how this affects virtually all imports, purely domestic sellers will raise prices a similar amount, or maybe slightly less, because why not, free money.

all of this inflation, and it's practically mandated inflation. it won't be massive, but it will be significant. we're headed into stagflation, and more than likely, in 2026, donnie will find a new fed chair that will lower interest rates to boost the economy for him, which may help growth but will then cause inflation to skyrocket....

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the increase won't be as dramatic as the crazy percentages we're hearing about, but it will be significant over time. (Original Post) unblock Friday OP
I think we know for sure the prices are not gonna go down Walleye Friday #1
The price increases will be dramatic GoreWon2000 Friday #2
Businesses are raising prices right now, because they cachukis Friday #3
I appreciate the interjection of a good and reasonable perspective here UB so kudos AZJonnie Friday #4
and it's coming from point of sales outlets also.... getagrip_already Friday #5
 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
2. The price increases will be dramatic
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 02:01 PM
Friday

with the 145% China tariff since most everything sold in he U.S. is made in China.

cachukis

(3,080 posts)
3. Businesses are raising prices right now, because they
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 02:04 PM
Friday

have to pay for more costly stock next purchase. If they are floor planning, then they will have to cover the cost of maintaining that inventory and hope the price increases don't dissuade buyers.
The simplistic approach of some minds did not think this through.

AZJonnie

(698 posts)
4. I appreciate the interjection of a good and reasonable perspective here UB so kudos
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 02:48 PM
Friday


However, this is describing a particular tariff % and product cost % (fairly low at 10% and 30% respectively) in a particular importation and sales model scenario where the effects may be relatively small on end prices.

There are other things to consider, though, the most obvious in my mind being that this piece: " $65 in expenses -- shipping fees and land transport to your store, then overhead to operate a retail outlet (rent, labor, advertising, insurance, etc.)" could also go up due to tariffs, iow many of the companies doing that work for you may see *their* costs rise due to tariffs (if building costs go up, rent likely goes up for example). So if that $65 becomes $75, now the cost to get the product to the point of sale is 75+33 = 108 instead of the previous $95. So now you have to raise the price to $113 to recoup your costs, and even then your previous 5% margin is lowered.

What if a company as a normal matter of course borrows money to construct their products then pays it back with their sales? Now you're borrowing $33 vs $30, effectively your interest rate increases. Further eroding your profit margin. Now you're thinking your $100 thing needs to be $115.

And then there's the fact that it's 10% NOW, but who knows what it might be later? Maybe the company thinks it needs to go to $120 as a hedge against potential future rising costs due to higher tariffs?

Also what about an outfit like a car maker where the cost of the imported parts to build the car is likely higher, %-wise vs. the sales price of the vehicle than the 30% in your example? Every bit you go up from that 30% assumption, the bigger the hit on the end price, yeah?

getagrip_already

(17,664 posts)
5. and it's coming from point of sales outlets also....
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 03:16 PM
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Last year, Amazon's sales revenue increased by 11%, largely on strong holiday sales.

But their net operating income soared by 86%.

The difference came from sellers through increased fees on all stages of the process.

As sales revenue falls for Amazon, and costs rise, they will again increase fees to make up the difference for investors. So will other web based pos outlets small businesses rely on to move product.

The squeeze has a force multiplier, and that is inflation and loss of revenue.

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