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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPicking a fight with the country holding nearly a trillion dollars in U.S. debt is Trump's stupidest fallback
...putting aside that leaving 10% across-the-board tariffs on all countries in place, not to mention the 25% retaliatory tariffs on Canada and Mexico, would be market shattering in any normal political or economic environment, you have to ask why the White House's supposed Tariff-eve jitters about the bond market didn't give more heed to the fact that the country they were picking the largest most prominent fight with holds some $750 billion dollars in U.S. securities.
If China decided to retaliate against those absurdly high tariffs Trump announced yesterday and decided to offload U.S. securities such as Treasuries and agency bonds, the faith and credit of America could be damaged irreparably for decades.
China and Hong Kong collectively hold about $1 trillion of these securities, putting it in a unique position to damage America''s financial liquidity, effectively ending the deficit spending game that allows Congress to make extravagant budget choices like $4.7 trillion dollar tax breaks for wealthy investors to chase what remains of a neutered money market.
Yale economist Stephen Roach warned about this late last year:
Beijing's "ultimate financial weapon" may be its massive accumulation of US Treasury debt. According to Roach, mainland China and Hong Kong collectively hold $1 trillion of these securities, putting it in a unique position to damage Washington's financial health.
"China could go on a buyer's strike during upcoming Treasury auctions, or, even more extreme, it could start to unload its outsize position as America's second-largest foreign creditor," he said. "Either option would be devastating for America's deficit-prone economy and would unleash havoc in the US bond market, with wrenching collateral damage in world financial markets."
Outside of the shady pump and dump surrounding the Trump announcements yesterday that predictably sent the market soaring, and just as predictably enabled profit-taking the morning after, there was a sharp drop in that U.S. bond market in which China has such a controlling interest.
Unlike almost every economic crisis this country has experienced, yesterday saw a sharp drop in the number of investors willing to put their money in America, a drop off of countries willing invest in the bond market whose strength Trump had been pointing to selling his tariff plan.
Boston Globe:
At the end of last week, the up and down tariffs and Trumps confusing policies were seen as a drag on the economy. While stocks fell, bonds followed the common pattern and gained. The yield on the 10-year fell from about 4.20 percent to just under 4 percent.
But this week, amid growing fear that the tariff plan wont be quickly negotiated away, bonds prices tanked and the yield on the 10-year rose above 4.50 percent.
China has already been making noise about investing their money elsewhere. Last year speculation around China's potential "de-dollarization" strategy was intensifying. China's holdings of US Treasury bonds declined last March from over $1.2 trillion in 2017 to $767 billion.
Moreover, the reason countries invest in America is a combination of stability and value; enforcement of laws and responsible economic policy that's clear and stable so that businesses can have a good sense of the efficacy of long term investments.
Donald Trump's autocratic treatment of the nation's economic interests as his own personal piggybank where the only clear requisite is pleasing him is threatening to transform our nation into yet another liquefied asset of his that he's running into the ground.
dalton99a
(92,177 posts)riversedge
(79,497 posts)The sentence hit it on the nail!!
..........Donald Trump's autocratic treatment of the nation's economic interests as his own personal piggybank where the only clear requisite is pleasing him is threatening to transform our nation into yet another liquefied asset of his that he's running into the ground.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&post&forum=1002&pid=20226411
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,041 posts)
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Carney's Checkmate: How Canada's Quiet Bond Play Forced Trump to Drop Tariffs
David__77
(24,508 posts)I recall watching Trumps 2021 New Year address, then watching Xis. One of these people seemed sane and rational.
live love laugh
(16,204 posts)erronis
(22,690 posts)bigtree
(93,391 posts)Ping Tung
(4,144 posts)an exercise in showbiz and selling his act to the always fearful rubes who demand a Strong Leader to muscle them to safety.
The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same
Marie Beyle (Stendahl)
dchill
(42,660 posts)Since he now owns America (and all its gulfs), he doesn't think the country should have to pay them, either. It's just one more truth that Fox News with have to alchemize into a much greater truth.
AllaN01Bear
(28,617 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,608 posts)I would not trust this country to flush my toilet, let alone guard my precious metals.
bigtree
(93,391 posts)..wonder if Elon left the key under the mat?

Quixote1818
(31,123 posts)Selling U.S. Treasuries hurts China too. It could strengthen the yuan and weaken the dollar, which would hurt Chinese exports (a major part of their economy). The Federal Reserve could step in to buy them.Other countries or domestic investors might buy them at the new, lower prices.
China owning U.S. debt gives them some symbolic and economic influence, but it's not a weapon they can easily use without hurting themselves.
bigtree
(93,391 posts)...if China starts dumping securities, it could create a surplus in the U.S. financial system.
If China and other foreign buyers are stepping back from these auctions or worse, actively selling in secondary markets it could dramatically shift the supply-demand balance in the world's largest bond market.
Perhaps most importantly, market complacency could be shattered overnight, quite literally. If U.S. investors wake up to find bond yields 2040 basis points higher without a domestic catalyst, it may lead to confusion, volatility, and a delayed reaction in equity markets.
If China is indeed offloading Treasuries in response to trade actions or broader geopolitical tensions, it could mark a new phase in the financial cold war one where the battleground isn't tariffs or semiconductors, but U.S. interest rates themselves.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelshulman/2025/04/09/us-rally-at-risk-as-china-may-be-dumping-treasuries/
...so the Art of the Deal is letting every country on earth know that if they raise interest rates by dumping US Treasuries, we will fold.
Remember, the bond market isn't a static enterprise. It's basically the faith and credit in the U.S. economy. When that trust is gone, when the money shifts away from the U.S., and not just to China, that will affect the willingness of creditors to loan us money for Congress to run deficits off of.
Much like Trump's entire personal economic strategy he's used to bankrupt all his companies.
Quixote1818
(31,123 posts)markodochartaigh
(5,046 posts)China's 34% tariff level was chosen as an allusion to Trump's 34 felonies?
EdmondDantes_
(1,393 posts)He seems to have no end to his stupidity, so he might top this.
rampartd
(3,851 posts)if i owe you a million you own me.
if i owe you a trillion i own you