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In It to Win It

(10,444 posts)
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 07:26 PM Apr 5

I would have preferred Trump to have been reelected in 2020

My uncle asked me what I thought about the state of politics and the economy.

I start to ponder my answer and the best way to summarize it. The first sentence I say is “had I known that this is what the world would have looked like in 2025, I would have just rather him be reelected in 2020.” All we did was give him 4 years to think about what he would or should have done differently. We gave him 4 years to think about how he would abuse power and get away with it. We gave him 4 years of plotting.

Had he been reelected in 2020, inflation would have been his problem. All of the conditions for high inflation were there and there was nothing he could have done to prevent it.

Had he been reelected in 2020, the so-called “Trump-era” would actually be over. Now, the Trump era will have taken up 12 years of our lives instead of 8 years. During the Biden years, Trump still very much lingered over everything. He was still talked about far more often than I’d like.

I didn’t feel this bad about the state of the world even during the first Trump term. This 2025 is genuinely depressing. Restoring the damage of Trump 2025 seems impossible. Instead of restoring what was lost and what will be lost, we will have to find some way to build something new.

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Celerity

(49,327 posts)
4. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) first granted emergency use authorization to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:47 PM
Apr 5
December 10, 2020, and mass vaccinations began four days later. The Moderna vaccine was granted emergency use authorization on December 17, 2020. On December 21, President-elect Joe Biden publicly received his first dose of the Pfizer vaccine during a media event at Christiana Hospital in Delaware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_the_United_States#December_2020

Niagara

(10,493 posts)
6. The vaccine was available. Both Blotus and his wife received their vax right before departing the White House
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:59 PM
Apr 5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_the_United_States



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-former-first-lady-quietly-received-covid-vaccine-january-n1259196


Also both Joe Biden and Mike Pence received their vaccinations in December of 2020.


I had to wait until April or May of 2021 to receive my first Covid vaccination for my age group.


Disclaimer: Blotus stands for "Biggest Liar of the United States"

Bleacher Creature

(11,499 posts)
2. This is solid reasoning.
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 07:53 PM
Apr 5

Everything that people complained about when it came to Biden and Harris had its origins under Trump. Inflation was the big one, but also Afghanistan and the battles over the COVID vaccine.

Had Trump been re-elected in 2020, he would have been DESPISED in 2024, and a Democratic President would be in the Oval Office right now with huge majorities in Congress.

David__77

(24,015 posts)
3. I agree with this:
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:35 PM
Apr 5

“Instead of restoring what was lost and what will be lost, we will have to find some way to build something new.“

Xavier Breath

(5,507 posts)
5. That scenario makes sense as you describe it.
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:56 PM
Apr 5

I've also wondered what might have happened had Hilary won in 2016. Where would we be now? Likely Trump runs again in 2020 and maybe he wins. Even if he doesn't, Joe and Kamala would not have been elected. So we would have had Hilary's second term or Trump's first. Either way, after enduring four years of him or him being a two-time loser, I'm guessing we'd have a different Republican nominee in '24 facing off against who-knows-who as the Democratic nominee.

I don't know, maybe all that's just the Cheez-Its and chocolate milk talking.

EdmondDantes_

(403 posts)
12. That's an interesting counter factual
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 10:18 PM
Apr 5

Not since FDR has one party won 4 presidential elections in a row, so likely Clinton would have lost in 2020. But there was covid and while I don't know if there was anything to do to get the vaccine out earlier, she likely would have run into issues from trying to impose more covid restrictions.

But does Trump retain his control in the Republican party if he's never seen as a winner? There's no obvious other candidate given how much oxygen Trump takes up in the Republican party.

flvegan

(64,894 posts)
7. And when he attempted to run (and win) his 3rd term in 2024, what then?
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 09:03 PM
Apr 5

Think this bullshit, useless congress would have done something to stop it? The Supreme Court? LOL, okay.

D_Master81

(2,010 posts)
8. Agreed
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 09:06 PM
Apr 5

Inflation was worldwide and would’ve been a problem for whoever was elected in 2020. Unfortunately it got pegged to Biden and the Democrats not just in 2024 but changed the demographics of the younger generation to the right a lot.

regnaD kciN

(26,965 posts)
9. He would have had those four years to think about it anyway...
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 09:33 PM
Apr 5

I doubt he would have quietly left office after his second term any more than I expect him to do it in four years.

LisaL

(47,182 posts)
11. You think he was going to leave after the second term?
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 10:02 PM
Apr 5

We barely got him to leave after his first term.

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