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NNadir

(35,517 posts)
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:14 AM Apr 4

My heart breaks to think of where we'd be now with President Harris.

It would be very much like 2009, the thrill we had when President Obama took office.

Really, the psychological pain has almost left me paralyzed.

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My heart breaks to think of where we'd be now with President Harris. (Original Post) NNadir Apr 4 OP
Actually we would be still in the middle of a divided country Sanity Claws Apr 4 #1
I really didn't give a rat's ass about their insipid whining. NNadir Apr 4 #5
But democracy would be alive, and so would . . . GulfofMexico Apr 4 #16
Incredible post, thank you. W_HAMILTON Apr 4 #22
Me, too. PittBlue Apr 4 #2
Yes, it's just crushing. Ocelot II Apr 4 #3
We have learned a hard lesson. The battle between good and evil is constant and ongoing. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #7
I wish i could day we learned something but I'm increasingly more cynical. NNadir Apr 4 #10
I have learned evil is very real and staring us in the face every day. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #11
America has never reconciled or faced LuvLoogie Apr 4 #4
Many Americans did not want a predictable, consistent, competent leader. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #6
It was a coalition of the ignorant, the stupid, the racist and the greedy. NNadir Apr 4 #8
Yes the very ugly American appears to be the new normal. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #9
My heart breaks when I think about edhopper Apr 4 #12
And too many registered voters boonecreek Apr 4 #13
Where would we be if we had SocialDemocrat61 Apr 4 #14
Good points. NNadir Apr 4 #18
But eggs. But Gaza. But she didn't distance herself from Biden on "The View." But we don't know her. But we want change. betsuni Apr 4 #15
That about sums it up. History, should it continue to exist... NNadir Apr 4 #17
This is Not America thought crime Apr 4 #23
I wonder if those who were shouting Killer Kamala (and Genocide Joe) are happy now? Oopsie Daisy Apr 4 #19
Yes. I can easily imagine where we'd be. MineralMan Apr 4 #20
With a Republican House, a Republican Senate and a Republican Supreme Court? edbermac Apr 4 #21
Probably still complaining about the prices of eggs and Doritos---- except NOW Jack Valentino Saturday #24

Sanity Claws

(22,167 posts)
1. Actually we would be still in the middle of a divided country
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:18 AM
Apr 4

with propaganda continually coming from the new media, particularly Fox Noise and from the Magats still in elected office.

Don't get me wrong. She would have done a lot but like Biden, she would not have received credit for it.

NNadir

(35,517 posts)
5. I really didn't give a rat's ass about their insipid whining.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:24 AM
Apr 4

I enjoyed having a literate, highly educated, thoughtful leader, a great man, a true representative of the best of America.

Now we have the worst. A rich corrupt ignorant Queens, NY hillbilly.

GulfofMexico

(22 posts)
16. But democracy would be alive, and so would . . .
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:46 AM
Apr 4

America's world leadership, the stock market and our savings. So would education, health care--including Medicare and Medicaid--Social Security, unions, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights, DEI. We wouldn't be losing many top scientists and other intellectual leaders. Immigrants would be safe. Protesters wouldn't be swept off the streets in KGB-style kidnappings, and there would be no illegal deportations. An idiot like RFK Jr. wouldn't be fanning the flames of measles outbreaks and other insane health issues. We wouldn't have a FOX News host as secretary of defense and using Signal to share military attack plans with journalists. We wouldn't be cozying up to Russia and Putin and mockiing the courage of Zelensky and Ukraine.

My gawd . . . the whole world would be an infinitely better place with Harris/Walz. And every time I think of that I become physically ill. The MAGA cult has stolen my country by choosing Evil over Good. It's that simple. As Cory Booker has said, it's never been about the right or the left, it's always been about right and wrong. Given that simple choice, US voters chose Wrong, and all of us decent human beings are suffering as a result.

I will NEVER forgive any of them. NEVER.

W_HAMILTON

(8,863 posts)
22. Incredible post, thank you.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:35 PM
Apr 4

Also add in millions and millions of student loan borrowers wouldn't have had their monthly payments increased while having their chances of their loans being forgiven significantly lessened or outright eliminated.

Fuck a divided country. It has been for decades and will continue to be regardless of who is president. Give me a competent and functioning government that implements policies that benefit the vast majority of us over yet another federal clusterfuck of an administration brought to you by the Russian puppet.

PS - our country is still divided -- it's just also completely fucked up now, too.

Ocelot II

(124,137 posts)
3. Yes, it's just crushing.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:20 AM
Apr 4

I'm trying to get un-crushed, going to one of the Hands Off protests tomorrow so I can feel like I'm doing something. I participated in protests more than 50 years ago, didn't think I'd still have to do it now that I'm old.

Irish_Dem

(67,735 posts)
11. I have learned evil is very real and staring us in the face every day.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:33 AM
Apr 4

And shockingly, no one seems to care but a small group of us.

LuvLoogie

(7,945 posts)
4. America has never reconciled or faced
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:22 AM
Apr 4

the karma born of its destructive inhumanity. We have never excised that cancer. Humans are losing this planet. It is matricide.

Irish_Dem

(67,735 posts)
6. Many Americans did not want a predictable, consistent, competent leader.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:40 AM
Apr 4

They didn't want a humble public servant who worked for the people.

They wanted excitement, drama, entertainment.
Someone who was just like them and hated anyone who is not a white Christian male.
Who would exact revenge and humiliation on the libs.

NNadir

(35,517 posts)
8. It was a coalition of the ignorant, the stupid, the racist and the greedy.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:45 AM
Apr 4

In short all of the worst of the worst banded together to put together a small majority.

I forgot to include the members of the American Christian taliban.

edhopper

(35,741 posts)
12. My heart breaks when I think about
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:39 AM
Apr 4

a President Humphrey, a second Carter term, a President Gore and a President Hilary Clinton.
We have too many voters who are just stupid assholes.

boonecreek

(838 posts)
13. And too many registered voters
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:45 AM
Apr 4

who just don't give a crap. Why bother to register if you're never going to vote?

SocialDemocrat61

(4,017 posts)
14. Where would we be if we had
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:45 AM
Apr 4

President Gore in 2000 or President Clinton in 16? Be sure to thank 3rd party voters and everyone who stayed home on election day in those years.

betsuni

(27,721 posts)
15. But eggs. But Gaza. But she didn't distance herself from Biden on "The View." But we don't know her. But we want change.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:46 AM
Apr 4

BUT WE'RE STUPID.

NNadir

(35,517 posts)
17. That about sums it up. History, should it continue to exist...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:48 AM
Apr 4

...will be mystified as to how and why the United States committed suicide.

thought crime

(103 posts)
23. This is Not America
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:04 PM
Apr 4

You are right to use past tense. I don’t think historians are mystified. It happened in Germany, too.
The market system failed to offer real solutions, and the political system was weak and corrupt, giving way to an evil despot leading a cult bound by ignorance and emotion.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,587 posts)
19. I wonder if those who were shouting Killer Kamala (and Genocide Joe) are happy now?
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:56 AM
Apr 4

I wonder if those who were promoting and encouraging the uncommitted movement will be primaried and voted out of office along with the MAGA and GOP fuckwads. Those blowhards and loudmouths were all over the place before the election... shitting on Democrats, the party, and our nominee... but now? Where are they?

MineralMan

(148,835 posts)
20. Yes. I can easily imagine where we'd be.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:36 PM
Apr 4

It would look nothing like the place we are currently.

Once again, too many people missed their chance to make this nation a better place. That allowed another large group of people to elect a man who is making it a worse place. Much worse.

Will we ever learn? Although I hope we will, I am no longer confident that we will.

edbermac

(16,162 posts)
21. With a Republican House, a Republican Senate and a Republican Supreme Court?
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:41 PM
Apr 4

They’d be holding impeachment hearings on Day One.

Jack Valentino

(1,799 posts)
24. Probably still complaining about the prices of eggs and Doritos---- except NOW
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 01:29 AM
Saturday

it is TRUMP's "TRUMPFLATION" fault....

Everything else, yeah, it would be better, what with the lack of "total insanity" and all that...

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