Anyone here old enough to remember when CNN

[senseandsensibility]

had reporrters "embedded" with the military during the Iraq War? It was a term they used, but it was controversial because the war itself was extremely controversial even at the time, and we were being fed the military's point of view unfiltered. Many people were angry about it, and the embedded reporters were accused of being stenographers. Before this, "war correspondents" were not embedded with the military.

Well, I noticed today that MSNBC is now called their reporters who follow cheato on the trail "embedded" campaign reporters. They're apparently proud of this, and run a chyron with this title below the reporters' name. But just as with the CNN embedded reporters during Iraq, this is not the flex they seem to think it is. Apparently, they are proud that they are being fed the cheato campaign's talking points firsthand so that they can share them unfiltered with us.

Just as during the Iraq War, I say no thanks. I didn't need embedded rightwing stenographers then, and I don't need them now.

[Swede]

1. Media has always embedded reporters with the military.

They were there on the beaches on D-Day.

[senseandsensibility]

5. That is not the same as being embedded.

Embedded wartime journalism started in 2003. I have researched this and remember it being covered at the time. Of course there were journalists covering WWII, at Normandy and elsewhere. That is not the same as being embedded.

[Swede]

12. Sorry, I misunderstood.

nt

[Attilatheblond]

25. Don Harris was embedded with troops in Vietnam.

Saw him on evening news almost every evening in the mid to late 60s. The man was awsome, and it was always a relief to see him on because we often wondered if he would live to send anther report.

Still sad about how he died when Jim Jones sent his murderous gang to stop the people trying to take off after visiting Jonestown. Don Harris survived Vietnam only to perish because a mad man was about to be exposed.

[Ilsa]

2. I thought most of the hosts at msnbc had declared

they weren't going to show any trump lies, at least not without proving it is propaganda.

[senseandsensibility]

3. I guess those days are gone

The ones I've seen today are not even calling the smears against FEMA lies. Misleading doesn't cut it as they should know by now.

[brush]

4. Agreed. 'Embedded' is not a good appelation for reporters IMO as it is entirely tainted because...

of NYT reporter Judith Miller who did a despicable job of mouthing what Rumsfeld and the military wanted told to the American people.

Miller rather than CNN reporters was the one who gave that term a bad name.

[displacedvermoter]

6. And Cheney...

[brush]

7. Yes, and Cheney.

[senseandsensibility]

8. Miller was atrocious

but the CNN "embeds" also came under a lot of criticism.

[dmr]

9. Yes. I've heard it used many times.

I didn't like it way back when, and I don't like it now.

TBH, I haven't paid much attention to MSNBC's embedded people. So, I'm not sure they're feeding us TFG's propaganda, or not. I haven't given it much thought. I will pay attention now, since you've pointed this out.

It's come to the point for me that I just don't want to hear any "reporting" about TFG, Vance, or anything to do with their campaign. I turn off their dangerous bullshit. Maybe I shouldn't, but I just cannot hear anymore from them.

I do pay attention and listen to anything in regards to Project 2025, TFG's indictments, other legal troubles, or similar issues.

Thank you.

[radical noodle]

23. I watch MSNBC quite a lot

because they generally portray trump exactly as he is... a liar and a criminal.

[Jack Valentino]

10. 'Embedded with' does in fact mean "in bed with"--- doesn't it?

Maybe MSNBC needs to be reminded from where and when the term originated....

[TwilightZone]

14. No. The root of the word is embed.

Which means to implant or insert an object into another object. Its usage to mean a journalist attached to a military unit is very common.

It has nothing to do with being in bed with.

[Jack Valentino]

15. "insert an object into another object"

Yeah, ok, whatever you say.

[MLF1981]

11. I sure do!

I also remember Geraldo Rivera getting into trouble for basically broadcasting classified military battle plans live on Fox "News".

[no_hypocrisy]

13. I remember when David Bloom of NBC died while embedded

in 2003.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bloom

[Flatrat]

17. and Bob Woodward from ABC

had a TBI from a nearby IED in Iraq.

And the legendary Marie Colvin in Syria. She was not an embed, she was a journalist.

[former9thward]

16. War correspondents have always been embedded with the militarry.

Journalists traveled with armies during the Civil War, Spanish American war, WW I, WW II, and Vietnam. This was not new in Iraq.

[LiberalArkie]

18. I remember watching Bernard Shaw reporting from Baghdad live during th fist bombing runs

over a leased telephone line that the Government did not know how to disconnect

[surfered]

19. Having to listen to his firehose of lies could give them traumatic brain injury

[yorkster]

20. I think the term embed was employed in the 2016

presidential campaign. Katy Tur was described as the MSNBC embed covering Trump, for example.

I could be wrong, but I thought that term was used at that time as well

[3Hotdogs]

21. We don't need that.

We have Ms. Mitchell of the NYT

[B.See]

22. I'm old enough to remember when

there was no CNN. Nor cable or satellite . Old enough to remember stations signing off after the National Anthem and black and white test patterns.

[Wonder Why]

24. I was in middle age in those days.

[hunter]

26. I quit television news and opinion entirely in the run-up to the Iraq war.

Haven't been back since.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. I always thought they considered Katy Tur

as someone who was "embedded" in 45's 2016 campaign for NBC News.

(so not new )