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kentuck

(112,414 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:20 AM 9 hrs ago

The lies are coming down like a waterfall...

Because there is no one to hold them accountable.

There was a time when lying was not accepted and the media would destroy anyone that tried those shenanigans.

But, Trump and his running mate have decided that name-calling, character assassination, and a flood of lies are the only way for them to win the White House. They have nothing else.

With only 31 days left until the election, we can anticipate that the lying will only get worse.

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The lies are coming down like a waterfall... (Original Post) kentuck 9 hrs ago OP
On Fox and talk radio, those lies are declared the truth. SharonClark 9 hrs ago #1
Yep, and their viewers and listeners anciano 9 hrs ago #3
Republicans are grabbing this crisis as an opportunity NCDem47 9 hrs ago #2
And amplified by Eloon Musk on Twitter. It's sickening. SunSeeker 8 hrs ago #20
It is disgusting RJ_MacReady 9 hrs ago #4
It is absolutely resonating. We even have people on DU posting these lies here asking whether they are true or not. drray23 9 hrs ago #6
+1! ShazzieB 7 hrs ago #29
The more confusion they create, the less our messages get through the noise bucolic_frolic 9 hrs ago #5
+1 dalton99a 9 hrs ago #8
right. elleng 8 hrs ago #17
Biden knows how: "Anything the MAGA Republicans don't like they call fake." . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz 7 hrs ago #22
Republicans have nothing to offer, from the lying convicted felon, republianmushroom 9 hrs ago #7
It will take a strong coalition to defeat these lies and these fascists. kentuck 9 hrs ago #9
I just read where her campaign Blue_Roses 3 hrs ago #34
Lies are their life blood NewHendoLib 9 hrs ago #10
Lies have been the lifeblood of Republicans since Hoover. nt SunSeeker 8 hrs ago #21
When Trump saw that the 'liberal' media let him get away with 10 lies, he knew they would let him get away with 10,000 dalton99a 9 hrs ago #11
Not just that they were lies Timewas 8 hrs ago #12
And, unfortunately, too many on DU suffer the same factual illiteracy/deliberately turning a blind eye to facts. Ms. Toad 8 hrs ago #13
But we're way more likely to correct misinformation than Republicans. Elessar Zappa 8 hrs ago #15
But we're supposed to be the party that cares about truth. Ms. Toad 7 hrs ago #23
I've seen a number of these posts. They appear to be Klarkashton 7 hrs ago #25
The ones in talking about are sharing (mostly) scandalous information Ms. Toad 4 hrs ago #32
+1 dalton99a 6 hrs ago #31
They don't give a shit! ReRe 8 hrs ago #14
and may screw us ALL, as so many believe the crap. elleng 8 hrs ago #16
The time when lying was not accepted birdographer 8 hrs ago #18
Lying complicit media Clouds Passing 8 hrs ago #19
A famous Cardassian once siad Zilli 7 hrs ago #24
Lenny twodogsbarking 7 hrs ago #26
One of the problems is that the media is owned by the monied so they control the message Stargazer99 7 hrs ago #27
My question is nowforever 7 hrs ago #28
That's no lie!... MiHale 6 hrs ago #30
It is NOT true they have nothing else. returnee 4 hrs ago #33

NCDem47

(2,482 posts)
2. Republicans are grabbing this crisis as an opportunity
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:24 AM
9 hrs ago

Last edited Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Flood, flood, FLOOD that RW media appartus with lies at a level we've never seen. Too many to have Democrats respond to and refute.

Ampplified by Russian bot farms I'm sure too.

SunSeeker

(53,280 posts)
20. And amplified by Eloon Musk on Twitter. It's sickening.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:13 PM
8 hrs ago

Other than rebutting it at every opportunity, we must concentrate on getting out the Democratic vote and preventing this right wing evil from turning our country into Russia.

drray23

(7,827 posts)
6. It is absolutely resonating. We even have people on DU posting these lies here asking whether they are true or not.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:30 AM
9 hrs ago

For example, regarding the accusations regarding FEMA diverting money to undocumented immigrants or sending it abroad. Its of course total bunk but apparently credible enough for some people to question it. FEMA had to issue a press release to debunk all the lies.

bucolic_frolic

(46,123 posts)
5. The more confusion they create, the less our messages get through the noise
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:28 AM
9 hrs ago

This is a Russian strategy. It could be a good sign, if they are only trying to prevent further Democratic gains. Or it could be prep for a lying attack on Kamala.

I'm reading a fascinating book called "Stories are Weapons" that details how Bannon and Trump accomplished an authoritarian surge on Facebook in 2016. This type of confusion was part of the strategy. It also delves into this as psyops, and probes a famous book on the Authoritarian Mindset.

https://www.amazon.com/Stories-Are-Weapons-Psychological-American/dp/0393881512

Stories Are Weapons: Psychological Warfare and the American Mind



One of Publishers Weekly's Top 10 Politics/Current Events books of Spring 2024

A sharp and timely exploration of the dark art of manipulation through weaponized storytelling, from the best-selling author of Four Lost Cities.

In Stories Are Weapons, best-selling author Annalee Newitz traces the way disinformation, propaganda, and violent threats―the essential tool kit for psychological warfare―have evolved from military weapons deployed against foreign adversaries into tools in domestic culture wars. Newitz delves into America’s deep-rooted history with psychological operations, beginning with Benjamin Franklin’s Revolutionary War–era fake newspaper and nineteenth-century wars on Indigenous nations, and reaching its apotheosis with the Cold War and twenty-first-century influence campaigns online. America’s secret weapon has long been coercive storytelling. And there’s a reason for that: operatives who shaped modern psychological warfare drew on their experiences as science fiction writers and in the advertising industry.

Now, through a weapons-transfer program long unacknowledged, psyops have found their way into the hands of culture warriors, transforming democratic debates into toxic wars over American identity. Newitz zeroes in on conflicts over race and intelligence, school board fights over LGBT students, and campaigns against feminist viewpoints, revealing how, in each case, specific groups of Americans are singled out and treated as enemies of the state. Crucially, Newitz delivers a powerful counternarrative, speaking with the researchers and activists who are outlining a pathway to achieving psychological disarmament and cultural peace.

Incisive and essential, Stories are Weapons reveals how our minds have been turned into blood-soaked battlegrounds―and how we can put down our weapons to build something better.

republianmushroom

(16,820 posts)
7. Republicans have nothing to offer, from the lying convicted felon,
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:31 AM
9 hrs ago

to congresspersons, they haven't done a damn thing for this country for 4 years.

kentuck

(112,414 posts)
9. It will take a strong coalition to defeat these lies and these fascists.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:34 AM
9 hrs ago

But Kamala is attempting to appeal to Americans of all stripes and all Parties, in hopes of ridding us of this pestilence.

Blue_Roses

(13,110 posts)
34. I just read where her campaign
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:38 PM
3 hrs ago

staff, ground crew have a size of volunteers 2x what Trump has. I'll go find the article and post it

dalton99a

(83,508 posts)
11. When Trump saw that the 'liberal' media let him get away with 10 lies, he knew they would let him get away with 10,000
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:36 AM
9 hrs ago

Timewas

(2,262 posts)
12. Not just that they were lies
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:31 PM
8 hrs ago

But that they were such openly blatant lies that were so easily disproved and the idiots refused to believe the facts.

Quoting Isaac Asimov

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

Ms. Toad

(35,229 posts)
13. And, unfortunately, too many on DU suffer the same factual illiteracy/deliberately turning a blind eye to facts.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:45 PM
8 hrs ago

Just as an example, the easily fact-checked allegation that Trump said, "Make them riot!" "Do it." There were at least two threads on it. People pointed to the exact page and paragraph of the filing where the quote was attributed to "P5," not Trump. One changed their post, the other refused. Many defended it saying that they heard it from some news media personality (they did; that person was wrong - and the defenders refused to back down preferring the inaccurate story to the information from the source, or simply insisting "It sounds like something he would say."

This is a recent incident, but far from the only one. My most vivid early memory was during Trump's presidency when pictures of foil-covered children were attributed to Trump - even though the images were taken during Obama's presidency.

We are not immune to confirmation bias. Our leaders aren't deliberately trying to exploit it, even if they occasionally misspeak. But it is nearly as dangerous when it spreads like wildfire and those spreading it refuse to self-correct when fact-checked.

Elessar Zappa

(15,228 posts)
15. But we're way more likely to correct misinformation than Republicans.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:53 PM
8 hrs ago

Sure, there’s some things that get posted here and on other liberal sites that aren’t true but the problem is much greater among right wingers. Much, much, greater.

Ms. Toad

(35,229 posts)
23. But we're supposed to be the party that cares about truth.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:25 PM
7 hrs ago

And when things are posted here that are blatantly false, even when the excerpts posted clearly contradict the headline, a substantial minority respond to it as if it were the gospel truth. Some even justify spreading false information by making a comment like "if it is posted here, it is generally true, so I didn't check.". One person recently even bragged about posting misleading information because DU needed more content.

It's the attitude that disturbs me far more than the quantity.

Klarkashton

(1,187 posts)
25. I've seen a number of these posts. They appear to be
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:03 PM
7 hrs ago

Sea lion questions meant to elevate the content of the question.rather than being a sincere.ask.

Ms. Toad

(35,229 posts)
32. The ones in talking about are sharing (mostly) scandalous information
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:32 PM
4 hrs ago

Based on a headline that misinterprets the facts. Often, but but always, the headline is disproven in the article itself. At other times, all it takes is a quick Google search.

They all fall into the category of confirmation bias -it's so deliciously awful that we want it to be true, so we share it as if it is without bothering to do any basic fact-checking. (And when challenged, it is rare for a poster to make any effort to correct the harm done by spreading disinformation.)

ReRe

(10,653 posts)
14. They don't give a shit!
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:50 PM
8 hrs ago

They know they can say whatever they want because they have the media in their back pocket.

To boot, their lies embolden what little base they have left.

Besides, they don't even care about "winning", as they think they are going to win by revolt.

Either on election day or Jan 6th, or every day in-between.

Keep on lying boys, cause someone's got your number. Bring it on.

Harris/Walz/Democracy 2024!

birdographer

(2,300 posts)
18. The time when lying was not accepted
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:59 PM
8 hrs ago

Let's say 15 years ago. Everyone knew that politicians lied, but the problem was that there was no audience for it, they were exposed as liars, and so didn't do it much. And then trump founded a cult, a collection of the most gullible and easily-duped racist and violent people. The liars have now found that millions of people in that cult will stupidly believe anything they say, absolutely anything, and it has emboldened them to make it their SOP. Moron trump supporters are the reason this has happened to this extent. They aren't going to get smarter, even if trump dies (which is starting to seem unlikely), so this is the country we have now. Bunch of imbeciles.

Zilli

(255 posts)
24. A famous Cardassian once siad
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:57 PM
7 hrs ago

"Lying is a skill, and like any other skill must be practiced constantly to maintain competence." (possibly not word perfect)
Lying is the way of things now, here, in our political discourse and all over the media........

returnee

(236 posts)
33. It is NOT true they have nothing else.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:18 PM
4 hrs ago

They plan to subvert our electoral system through legal and extralegal means. They don’t care what they sound like.
They have been planning it for a long time and it could work.

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