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senseandsensibility

(19,846 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 02:12 PM Yesterday

Ron Filipkowski is sounding the alarm

He is saying that the Biden and Harris campaigns and FEMA can not rely on just a handful of spokespeople to counteract the FIREHOUSE OF LIES coming from maga about their disaster response. He is warning that they are already late to the party and need to hit these lies hard and often.

They have the money to get their message out. The truth is helpful to them, but so is showing that cheato and vance are liars. Let's go!

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Ron Filipkowski is sounding the alarm (Original Post) senseandsensibility Yesterday OP
What are they waiting for. Blue Full Moon Yesterday #1
Well, Biden could take a few moments to address in this in his press senseandsensibility Yesterday #2
There's hundreds of thousands who have lost everything central scrutinizer Yesterday #3
Of course and there's little the campaign can do to counteract that senseandsensibility Yesterday #4
YES! TY & Ron Flipkowski! Cha Yesterday #5
Counter-prop must be: 1) accurate, 2) clear (simple), 3) fast response, 4) targetted at audience of orig propaganda. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #6
True senseandsensibility Yesterday #8
Came across a tick tock video somebody reposted on Facebook Sugarcoated Yesterday #7
Read the comments connected to this video Sugarcoated Yesterday #10
Don't give them clicks, please Betty Boom Yesterday #20
I do appreciate you posting this link senseandsensibility Yesterday #14
I totally agree. The lies gain traction because they are repeated so often and people want to believe them. Martin68 Yesterday #9
This message was self-deleted by its author disappearingboy Yesterday #11
Social Media owns this problem RainCaster Yesterday #12
Agree...I would only add ...let's not spread this here on DU. PortTack Yesterday #27
Some people on social media Sugarcoated Yesterday #13
they want to make this the "Biden-Harris Katrina" WarGamer Yesterday #15
True, and I think RF is trying to say senseandsensibility Yesterday #16
We all need to back them up. BoomaofBandM Yesterday #17
Yes, all hands on deck senseandsensibility Yesterday #28
Biden should do a press conference on state of hurricane efforts and where to donate. clutterbox1830 Yesterday #18
Prime time press conference PennRalphie Yesterday #19
A good use for the bully pulpit senseandsensibility Yesterday #21
Who was it that said to never let BattleRow Yesterday #22
And who was in GA yesterday, or the day b4 serving food to disaster victims?? PortTack Yesterday #24
Link your story! That's not the case!! PortTack Yesterday #25
Seems to me the Harris campaign is doing a great job! I believe by being present, which they are, they're pushing back PortTack Yesterday #23
Here is a TikTok link to a great rant addressing Helene B.S. LuvLoogie Yesterday #26
Thx for posting the TikTok clip...unlike many here, I do watch and follow lots of ppl and candidates on tiktok PortTack Yesterday #29
It's a great platform. LuvLoogie Yesterday #30
That was incredible Wiz Imp Yesterday #31
THIS is why Scalise wants TikTok banned. LuvLoogie Yesterday #32
Yeah, she's pretty fucking awesome. LuvLoogie Yesterday #33
I looked at her background and see that she used to work for Americans For Prosperity Wiz Imp Yesterday #34
There are a lot of folks LuvLoogie 22 hrs ago #35
late to the party? Skittles 17 hrs ago #36

central scrutinizer

(12,354 posts)
3. There's hundreds of thousands who have lost everything
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 02:48 PM
Yesterday

It’ll be easy for Fox “journalists “ to find disgruntled impatient citizens to “interview “ who will heap blame on Biden/Harris.

senseandsensibility

(19,846 posts)
4. Of course and there's little the campaign can do to counteract that
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 02:49 PM
Yesterday

but the firehouse of lies coming directly from the cheato campaign needs to be addressed repeatedly.

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,402 posts)
6. Counter-prop must be: 1) accurate, 2) clear (simple), 3) fast response, 4) targetted at audience of orig propaganda. .nt
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:32 PM
Yesterday

senseandsensibility

(19,846 posts)
8. True
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:42 PM
Yesterday

Clarity and simplicity have been challenging for Dems in the past. I just heard Kamala "clap back" at the lack of endorsement by firefighters in no uncertain terms on MSNBC. The term union buster was used. Hope to hear more of this.

Sugarcoated

(8,034 posts)
7. Came across a tick tock video somebody reposted on Facebook
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:41 PM
Yesterday

A guy criticizing the government response. I'll go get it and repost it here so you see what I'm talking about, but the comments are off the charts crazy. All kinds of conspiracy theories about the government trying to take over a certain area of North Carolina because they want the uranium mines or, I don't know, I can't really explain it but the Facebook accounts of these dozens of people looked very fishy. It really and truly look like Russian propaganda, and they're pushing it hard

Betty Boom

(122 posts)
20. Don't give them clicks, please
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:50 PM
Yesterday

I’m not going to click on that as I don’t believe in giving toxic misinformation like that clicks. That’s what they want

senseandsensibility

(19,846 posts)
14. I do appreciate you posting this link
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:13 PM
Yesterday

so that DUers can see exactly what Filipkowski is referring to. I hope you'll understand, though, that I don't want to click on it. That's a reflection on me, I'm afraid, and my very low tolerance for that sort of thing. But I can imagine. I'm sure it's beyond crazy.

Martin68

(24,214 posts)
9. I totally agree. The lies gain traction because they are repeated so often and people want to believe them.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:48 PM
Yesterday

If we don't do a better job refuting them and getting a convincing case for the truth out there, we are in trouble.

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

RainCaster

(11,365 posts)
12. Social Media owns this problem
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:08 PM
Yesterday

My guess is that much of this is coming from Russian troll farms. Facebook, Xitter and others ("truth" social) are the ones responsible for filtering this crap. And they have failed.

Sugarcoated

(8,034 posts)
13. Some people on social media
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:09 PM
Yesterday

whose accounts don't look like constituents, or even authentic, are pushing crazy conspiracy theory shit, taking advantage of the disaster. They troll my rep, Madeleine Dean's fb page. She posted about her mother dying of ovarian cancer and they are swarming the page with dishonest attacks. The maga candidate running against her, David Winkler, is trolling her page as he frequently does. He's a really disgusting bully who tries to disseminate conspiracy nutbaggery
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/UYh9t8RENLMD6c4G/

WarGamer

(14,556 posts)
15. they want to make this the "Biden-Harris Katrina"
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:15 PM
Yesterday

And they've got every last one of their paid liars out screaming it, over and over.

clutterbox1830

(409 posts)
18. Biden should do a press conference on state of hurricane efforts and where to donate.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:20 PM
Yesterday

Trump does press conferences all the time just to do a stump speech and the media falls for it all the time.
At least a Biden conference will be informative.

PennRalphie

(233 posts)
19. Prime time press conference
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:40 PM
Yesterday

It’s needed now. Biden and Harris pledging to help the people. So many rumors going around. FEMA out of money. Not allowing helicopters to rescue. Get in front of this now.

BattleRow

(715 posts)
22. Who was it that said to never let
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:02 PM
Yesterday

a disaster go to waste?
L BJ was right there in the floodwaters after Hurricane Betsy hit New Orleans in 1964, announcing via loudspeaker,

"I am your President."

Btw,he was a Democratic.

PortTack

(34,109 posts)
23. Seems to me the Harris campaign is doing a great job! I believe by being present, which they are, they're pushing back
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:05 PM
Yesterday

When one tries to counter every lie they tell…who’s the one that looks pathetic?!!

Voters understand who lies and who tells the truth.

PortTack

(34,109 posts)
29. Thx for posting the TikTok clip...unlike many here, I do watch and follow lots of ppl and candidates on tiktok
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:18 PM
Yesterday

And, this is exactly the kind of thing I see there!

LuvLoogie

(7,456 posts)
30. It's a great platform.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:25 PM
Yesterday

And yes, there are a lot of lying trumplickers on TikTok, but there are a lot of good guys too.

Wiz Imp

(652 posts)
31. That was incredible
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:25 PM
Yesterday

I then went and watched a bunch of her other videos and I think I'm in love - she is so good at cutting through the bullshit and explaining things in a way that even MAGA cultists should understand (unfortunately, most of them won't anyway.)

Wiz Imp

(652 posts)
34. I looked at her background and see that she used to work for Americans For Prosperity
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:28 PM
Yesterday

and even worked for the campaign of Steve King, the reprehensible racist from Iowa. But she is very open that at some point she started to self-reflect and question why she was supporting some of the things she did. From, there she realized she had been wrong about a lot of things and has now become an outspoken opponent of the MAGA mindset. She claims to be in the middle, but what's clear is she has no time for the MAGA cult. Her videos about the culture in small towns in South Dakota are chilling but it's great she's getting the message out to a decent audience.

LuvLoogie

(7,456 posts)
35. There are a lot of folks
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:49 AM
22 hrs ago

deconstructing their right-wing upbringing. They become passionate when they begin to see through the lies.

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